Griffin III - 4.38

[Chocolate Lab]

Originally Posted by casmith07

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Can't believe you didn't mention your boy Cam...

It's dumb to say that because you ran a spread offense in college you can't be a good NFL QB. It's not up to the QB what offense he runs. Andrew Luck would undoubtedly put up crazy numbers in a spread offense... If that happened, should he be marked down for it? Of course not.

[jobberone]

Originally Posted by casmith07

All of this stuff is misplaced, though, because Robert Griffin can actually throw the ball, too. Over 10,000 yards passing, 78 TDs to only 17 INTs in four years.

Just because dude can run doesn't mean you have to all of a sudden dump on him. He's going to be a very good QB.

He may turn out to be better than Luck.

[joseephuss]

Tony Romo ran a 5.0 forty time at the 2003 combine. People still consider him a good athlete.

RGIII's 40 time doesn't surprise me. Knew he was fast. Know he is smart. Know he has a good arm. What I don't know is just how good he will be in the NFL. My bet is he will be good, but there is always the possibility he will falter. I like what I see and wish him well.

I understand the criticism of RGIII being in a gimmick offense. Nowadays most every QB will have to go through that criticism. The gimmick offense is the more standard one run in college than the traditional pro-style offense. Same with high schools. It is less common for QBs to take a majority of their snaps from under center in today's game, so every QB will have to adjust their games once they reach the NFL. That is one reason to like Andrew Luck. He does take quite a few snaps under center.

[JonJon]

Wow...Zach Brown stumbles, still runs 4.45

[InmanRoshi]

It's not ground breaking to say that a QB's success depends on the situation he's in, but it will be particuarly true for RGIII transitioning from the spread. I think he's a great fit in Shanny's system in Washington, running those naked play action boots off the stretch run plays and throwing on the run. It's really not an overly complicated system with a lot of reads nor does it require pin point precision, and Griffin throws accurately on the move off of his back foot. No reason he can't be Jake Plummer with next level athleticism.

[cobra]

Originally Posted by jobberone

He may turn out to be better than Luck.

*cries*

Yes. He "may" turn out to be better. In the same sense that Brandon Weedon "may" turn out to be better. That is, "anything is possible."

The fact remains, given his experience and performance in an NFL, pro style offense--his experience calling plays and reading defenses--there is a reason why he is consistently called the best QB prospect since Manning/Elway/whomever. It's because when you are projecting players, you have to make educated guesses.

And with RG3, it's a question mark because he has no experience running an NFL/pro style offense, being under center, having to make multiple reads and audibles. You cannot make an educated guess with him because there is no data to rely upon. Sure, you can say he has the skill set to do it, but you have no objective evidence of it. So, you are going on pure potential.

Any GM, overwhelmed by a mere 40 time, that would take question mark/potential QB over the best QB prospect in a decade should lose their job.

[trickblue]

Originally Posted by cobra

*cries*

Yes. He "may" turn out to be better. In the same sense that Brandon Weedon "may" turn out to be better. That is, "anything is possible."

The fact remains, given his experience and performance in an NFL, pro style offense--his experience calling plays and reading defenses--there is a reason why he is consistently called the best QB prospect since Manning/Elway/whomever. It's because when you are projecting players, you have to make educated guesses.

And with RG3, it's a question mark because he has no experience running an NFL/pro style offense, being under center, having to make multiple reads and audibles. You cannot make an educated guess with him because there is no data to rely upon. Sure, you can say he has the skill set to do it, but you have no objective evidence of it. So, you are going on pure potential.

[View Full Quote]Any GM, overwhelmed by a mere 40 time, that would take question mark/potential QB over the best QB prospect in a decade should lose their job.

I think RG3 will be a great QB at the pro level, but you hit the nail on the head. He has to adjust to being under center. He's very good at reading defenses, but it's different under center. I think he has the ability to do this as he a very intelligent kid. Luck is definitely the better "prospect" at this point. The reality is that they may both be busts.

Our good friends the Redskins once drafted a "Can't Miss" QB from Tennessee in Heath Schuler...

You just never know...

[cobra]

Originally Posted by trickblue

I think RG3 will be a great QB at the pro level, but you hit the nail on the head. He has to adjust to being under center. He's very good at reading defenses, but it's different under center. I think he has the ability to do this as he a very intelligent kid. Luck is definitely the better "prospect" at this point.

I basically agree. I think the guy will be good. I won't say he'll be great until I see him run an NFL offense. He certainly has the tools/disposition/intangibles to be great. He just hasn't shown it. Luck also has the tools/dispositions/intangibles to be great, but he has shown it. And that's the difference that makes Luck the better prospect.

[Chocolate Lab]

I've argued this with other people before, but I don't think the college offense a QB runs has any bearing on the NFL QB he'll eventually become. Will Luck be more prepared from day one? Probably. But with an investment like this you're looking at much longer term than that. And almost by definition, QBs in this position are going to a bad team, so it's years two, three, four that really matter. By then, the spread QB will be fully caught up.

Now maybe if the QB were some lumbering concrete-footed oaf, coming out from under center would be a concern. But that's not Griffin, obviously.

Actually, forget that above... This is the thread where we already talked about this very thing. Pretty funny scouting from some people.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222548

[Staxxxx]

If anyone is interested on NFL.com have a video with an overlay of RGIII, Cam Newton, and Luck running the 40

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...184126937.html

[InmanRoshi]

I can only speak as to what I know about Mike Leach's Air Raid offense, but he instructs his QBs to not throw to a particular WR but rather a certain open spot on the field. The WRs are supposed to read the coverage by the defense backs and adjust their routes accordingly to find the open spot in the field and be there when the QB delivers the ball. That's a different mentality for a QB than "This WR is your primary read and he's going to run a 15 yard dig route, and I want you to judge whether he got enough seperation on the route to throw him the ball or whether to move on to your secondary reads." In the spread offense, if you throw to a tightly covered WR and put the ball inbetween defenders you've probably made the wrong read. In the NFL it's almost mandatory that you throw to a tightly covered WR inbetween defenders.

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by Staxxxx

If anyone is interested on NFL.com have a video with an overlay of RGIII, Cam Newton, and Luck running the 40

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...184126937.html

Nice find.

I'm actually a little surprised at Luck's ability to keep up with Newton.

When you see them overlaid like that, it kind of puts into perspective just how little bit of a difference there is in a really good 40 time and a good 40 time.

I mean, Newton is one stride behind and Luck is 2 strides behind over the course of 40 yards? Not a grade difference considering the number of times when a player gets a breakaway like that are relatively few.

I said a while back that you have to put up an eye popping time in order to really impress someone and separate yourself or you have to put up a disgustingly slow Vontaze Burfict time in order to really sink yourself.

I wish they would put Chris Johnson's 4.24 in there just for the heck of it.

I know it wouldn't hold true but if RG3 is a stride ahead of Newton at 0.18 faster, I'd think Johnson would be a stride ahead of RG3, which puts him about 4-5 yards ahead of Luck at the end of it.

I think the most impressive part of the video is that all the guys had pretty good starts and times through 10 yards. At about 12 yards, RG3 gains an entire yard on the other two.

That's where his speed will come into play. Not 40 yards down the field but within the first 10-15 yards. He was out of arms reach at 13 yards. You might have a prayer at diving for his feet but likely not.

If Luck were chasing Newton and neither lost speed due to padding, Luck could have tackled him at any time during the 40. 0.1 seconds sounds like a lot when going from one number to the next but in a practical sense, I'm not sure it makes any difference at all.