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Old 04-27-2012   #46
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we can always rationalize anything we want

i am just trying to understand this "hot streak" thing to see if this is a result of anything tangible that teams do or just pixie dust
And if your contention is the Giants won the Superbowl because they just had that much more raw dominating physical talent on their roster than everyone else in the NFL, why did they go on a 4 game losing streak in the regular season? And we're not talking about a team that stumbled out of the gate and then came together, we're talking about a team that was one play away from being elminated from the playoffs by Week 14.

I've seen dominating teams before. I saw the 76 Steelers. I saw the 85 Bears. I saw the 93 Cowboys. I don't recall any of them having a 4 game losing streak in the regular season.

I think the "pixie dust" here is you believing everything is based purely on meritocracy.
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Old 04-27-2012   #47
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Apparently 31 teams in the NFL get on a cold streak at the end of the season every year.
not many good teams have gone on a 17 year 'cold streak'

only a handful of teams have not been to the conference championship game in a decade and a half

the others are the dregs of the league

guess which group we are in?
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Old 04-27-2012   #48
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I didnt read the OP and the rest of the thread....

But I just wanted to say.....I think Lombardi is a idiot....everytime I hear him on NFLN I wonder how he ever worked in the NFL

Some of the things that spews from his mouth just makes me wonder....
John 16:22 And ye therefore now have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no one taketh away from you.
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Old 04-27-2012   #49
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I think the "pixie dust" here is you believing everything is based purely on meritocracy.
have you played baseball?

ever seen/made a spectacular catch?

it is usually one of the best fielders that makes the "lucky" or impossible catch

bad fielders never do that

know why?

because they are fundamentally sound
because they are in position for the "good luck" to happen

for the "ball to bounce your way" you have to be fundamentally sound, build the team the right way, so you are in position for the "good luck"

when you keep going for the shiny toy instead of the grunt in the trenches, it shows up in december and january and yo uare left talking about stuff like chemistry and luck and the cyclical nature of the league

it is not a coincidence that pats, steelers, and giants are doing well

it is not pixie dust
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Old 04-27-2012   #50
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Great job as always IR! BTW.....

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The picks were coming in fast and furious, and there must have been a keg backstage for the players because the players took forever to come out to the stage.

This is a team who is battling several major injuries to
key players including Pro Bowl talents like Lee, Austin, Jenkins, Murray,
Carter and Ratliff. Other key starters missing include Costa, Smith, Church and
Coleman. That is 11 key players - that's half the starting lineup. Yet we still went 8-8.
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not many good teams have gone on a 17 year 'cold streak'

only a handful of teams have not been to the conference championship game in a decade and a half

the others are the dregs of the league

guess which group we are in?
ROFL.
What does 17 years have to do with this draft?
I get it now though so I can just put you on ignore.

You clearly mean to cry every single post til they win a Super Bowl.
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ROFL.
What does 17 years have to do with this draft?
I get it now though so I can just put you on ignore.

You clearly mean to cry every single post til they win a Super Bowl.
did you read the post (by IR) I was responding to?
it did not refer to this draft

"Apparently 31 teams in the NFL get on a cold streak at the end of the season every year."

reading comprehension 101
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not many good teams have gone on a 17 year 'cold streak'?
Then OBVIOUSLY you don't know the history of the NFL.
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have you played baseball?

ever seen/made a spectacular catch?

it is usually one of the best fielders that makes the "lucky" or impossible catch

bad fielders never do that

know why?

because they are fundamentally sound
because they are in position for the "good luck" to happen

for the "ball to bounce your way" you have to be fundamentally sound, build the team the right way, so you are in position for the "good luck"

when you keep going for the shiny toy instead of the grunt in the trenches, it shows up in december and january and yo uare left talking about stuff like chemistry and luck and the cyclical nature of the league

it is not a coincidence that pats, steelers, and giants are doing well

it is not pixie dust
This is a terrible example. Derek Jeter for instance has made a number of spectacular defensive plays in his career. However in actuality he is a below average defensive shortstop. He simply let's more balls through then other shortstops do overall.

If you study the topic in any length you will find that clutchness as a skill does not exist and much of what we attribute to clutchness is actually random statistical chance.
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And something else that wasn't included in your report:

Lombardi put ALL of those clowns, including Hitzgues who I really have alot of respect for, in their places when he said: " The Cowboys don't have as many holes as you guys think they do .. "

Since the drafted started, the Ticket crew have been harping about " the many holes " the Cowboys have on their roster. They've been making it sound like if Dallas has a strainer for a roster at Valley Ranch. Then when the trade went down, Norm immediately went to: " but now we don't have a 2nd round pick, oh lordi lord what are we going to do ? "

My question to him ( and to those who are saying the same thing ) right off the bat would be:

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I love Norm and agree with him on a lot of things. I did find it funny that Norm seemed upset that the Cowboys traded up yesterday. He may just have been ticked off that he did a whole bunch of research and work to only be dead wrong about what the Cowboys did.
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I love Norm and agree with him on a lot of things. I did find it funny that Norm seemed upset that the Cowboys traded up yesterday. He may just have been ticked off that he did a whole bunch of research and work to only be dead wrong about what the Cowboys did.
I get where he was coming from. I was frustrated yet happy with the pick too. Happy we got a blue chip talent. Frustrated that it made me face, with no uncertainty, that the 2008 draft was abysmal.
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