DMN: Stephen Jones: Cowboys offensive line is ‘starting to come together’ - Page 3 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

Risen Star · 10-09-2012

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Originally Posted by CyberB0b

How is Stephen not a football man, at this point? He has been in the organization almost his entire adult life.

Because he didn't earn his way and only kept his job through nepotism.

Simply put, he's not a football guy because no other team in the league would hire him in any capacity. Being the owner's son doesn't make you legit.

**jobberone** · 10-09-2012

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Originally Posted by Risen Star

Because he didn't earn his way and only kept his job through nepotism.

Simply put, he's not a football guy because no other team in the league would hire him in any capacity. Being the owner's son doesn't make you legit.

Oh, come on RS. Tex Schramm wasn't a football guy either. I do believe they need to bring someone in who has had a successful NFL career at coaching or GM though. And they need to listen to him. Someone outside the inner circle.

viman96 · 10-09-2012

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Originally Posted by jjktkk

Do you actually think Stephen Jones thinks the line doesn't need to improve? What do you expect him to say at a media conference? Hey guys anybody try the New in and out burger?

I was clear on what I think he should have said. It is just my opinion so take it however you want to.

BraveHeartFan · 10-09-2012

And statements like this make you realise that waiting for the day that Jerry Jones is gone is a complete waste of time.

The kid taking over is going to be just as bad.

Flinger · 10-09-2012

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Originally Posted by jobberone

1960-1988: 2 SBs
1989-2011: 3 SBs

Now I will say I am not equating the two regimes and esp not saying the Jones era is better than the Landry/Schramm one.

One gave us a record number of playoffs over a 20+ year time period. That same group gave us 10 NFCC/NFLC or SB games in 13 years. The other gave us a short termed dynasty that has failed to rise to the top over 15 years. So no the Jones' era is not equal or better.

No matter how frustrated or outright angry you are things aren't going to change in the short term. Nor should they. Garrett deserves a shot. He took over a 1-7 team that was pitiful and has us playing at least .500 ball in a short time. He gets 2-4 years more IMO before you call for his head. Changing HCs every few years is a true recipe for disaster.

Excellent post... Wow, for a minute there with all the negativity, I thought I was on the Eagles board...

Mr Cowboy · 10-09-2012

How many NFL owners and their sons have a weekly radio show where they say what their coach is going to do in the next game.

Really, do these two Bozos really need radio shows to feed their huge egos?

In most NFL towns, the start QB, or the star player has a radio show, not in Dallas.

DallasDW00ds0n · 10-09-2012

Guys you're missing the point, key word improvement. Weeks 1-3 on a scale of 1-10 the oline was a -6, after the jelling and domination against the bears they easily improved to a -5.75

Improvement

Oh_Canada · 10-09-2012

Stephen spoke the truth, the oline showed marked improvement against one of the very best fronts in football. Room for improvement-yes, but much better. Key will be whether they can continue to build momentum against the Ravens or the Bears game was nothing more than an anomoly.

rocyaice · 10-09-2012

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Originally Posted by BraveHeartFan

And statements like this make you realise that waiting for the day that Jerry Jones is gone is a complete waste of time.

The kid taking over is going to be just as bad.

That's a bit unfair. I actually agree with your opinion I don't think Stephen's "football mind" is any worse or better than Jerry's but to come away that opinion after some statement in a media conference? That's a bit unfair to him. He's just saying or doing what 99% of anyone else in his shoes would've said.

rocyaice · 10-09-2012

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Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

Stephen spoke the truth, the oline showed marked improvement against one of the very best fronts in football. Room for improvement-yes, but much better. Key will be whether they can continue to build momentum against the Ravens or the Bears game was nothing more than an anomoly.

Yea what he said isn't that far fetched. They've knocked down the penalties and they've been better in pass protection. And they've faced some very TOUGH defenses. This offensive line may not be as bad as it looked. With as much turnover they've had with this line it probably wasn't the best for them to have to come out of the gate facing such tough defenses. But at the same time it should be good experience for them against a team like the Ravens.

burmafrd · 10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by jobberone

1960-1988: 2 SBs
1989-2011: 3 SBs

Now I will say I am not equating the two regimes and esp not saying the Jones era is better than the Landry/Schramm one.

One gave us a record number of playoffs over a 20+ year time period. That same group gave us 10 NFCC/NFLC or SB games in 13 years. The other gave us a short termed dynasty that has failed to rise to the top over 15 years. So no the Jones' era is not equal or better.

No matter how frustrated or outright angry you are things aren't going to change in the short term. Nor should they. Garrett deserves a shot. He took over a 1-7 team that was pitiful and has us playing at least .500 ball in a short time. He gets 2-4 years more IMO before you call for his head. Changing HCs every few years is a true recipe for disaster.

I call total BS on giving him 4 more years. TOTAL BS.
Frankly if we do not show progress by the end of this year he should be on notice that it better happen NEXT year or he is gone.

CowboysYanksLakers · 10-10-2012

I will not totally dismiss what Stephen Jones is saying... I believe they will get it going because it cannot get much worse than it has been!

visionary · 10-11-2012

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Originally Posted by CyberB0b

If I get out of college and get into investment banking for the next two decades, would you not call me a banker? Obviously, he may not be a good football man, but he is a football man nonetheless. It is hard to judge his accolades because of the man at the top.

i think that is a fair point

to take the analogy further

if you come out of college with NO formal training in investment banking and get appointed the CEO of your father's investment bank and proceed to run it into the ground over the next 20 years (the cowboys have won nothing since stephen took over), i am not sure what i would call you but certainly not a successful investment banker

burmafrd · 10-11-2012

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Originally Posted by a_minimalist

4 years? I hope you hold yourself to those standards.

well clearly you dont for yourself.

Marktui · 10-11-2012

So now everyone is down on Tyron? Give me a break. Didn't we go thru this exercise already with Merriman and Ware?

Wasn't the priority getting quality offensive lineman? We go and get one and then a defensive player taken after him starts to do well and now we say we should have gotten him.

As soon as I saw the game Monday night and Watt do really well I knew this board would be lit up with "what if's" and "should have's".