Dez not living up to expectations? really

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

I don't recall him not knowing where to go this year or dropping balls at an alarming rate.

Shall we expect more exaggeration in your next reply, as well?

What do you mean. He didn't know his assignment against the Bears and the pass went the other way for a TD.

As far as the drops go, you don't remember this thread? You posted in it.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/dallas...s.php?t=244613

Throw in a flat out drop against Seattle and another pass he caught, started to bring down and then lost when he was hit by Earl Thomas.

In the Chicago and Seattle games alone, that's 5.

[DC Cowboy]

Originally Posted by jblaze2004

not to mention being a 3rd option after witten or miles. And our OC doesn't really do a good job at getting him the ball: bubble screens, reverses, slants and etc.

BINGO, Irving was the 1st option, Witten is the 1st option now. Not to mention Michael had a much better O-line to allow him to get deep and Troy.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

What do you mean. He didn't know his assignment against the Bears and the pass went the other way for a TD.

As far as the drops go, you don't remember this thread? You posted in it.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/dallas...s.php?t=244613

Throw in a flat out drop against Seattle and another pass he caught, started to bring down and then lost when he was hit by Earl Thomas.

In the Chicago and Seattle games alone, that's 5.

Lolol.

You're wasting your time.

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

Can we cut the hyperbole with the routes and the playbook crap already?

Show me some evidence that Dez isn't running the right routes or point me to someone on the team or a coach that says he doesn't know the plays.. or else be quiet and stop acting like you know what's going on.

I have yet to hear a coach or a player say that Dez is still struggling with the playbook this year or not running the correct routes.

Don't sit here and tell me that "oh its evident" that Dez isn't running the right routes or is uncertain of the playbook when you have no idea what he's supposed to be running or what the plays call for.. it just sounds ridiculous.

You're asking for something that doesn't, and will not, ever exist regardless of who is guilty.

The team won't say he doesn't know the plays and they don't blame specific superstar players ever.

I guess since they haven't blamed either the QB or the WR it's simply nobody's fault.

[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

What do you mean. He didn't know his assignment against the Bears and the pass went the other way for a TD.

As far as the drops go, you don't remember this thread? You posted in it.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/dallas...s.php?t=244613

Throw in a flat out drop against Seattle and another pass he caught, started to bring down and then lost when he was hit by Earl Thomas.

In the Chicago and Seattle games alone, that's 5.

The problem wasn't him not knowing his assignment, as has been stated already. He had a read to make on the play, as well as Tony. He read the DB coming up and attacking the play immediately, so he moved to get behind him and had him beat. Tony just didn't see it the same way. Not as simple as you'd like it to be, but i understand its easier for some to just say Dez didn't know his assignment or his route or his playbook.. because that's the group think.

I keep asking how many drops he has this season, and people keep referencing this one game. Yes, he had a bad game.. other than that, i've heard of one other drop now, in the Seattle game.

(Its not a drop when the defender breaks up the pass or knocks the ball loose during the process of a reception, btw.)

So scratch out the bad game he had, that he owned up to right away and took responsibility for.. he has one drop on the season.

My, that is an alarming rate.

[DC Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

Well, I sure didn't expect inconsistent play week in and week out, not knowing where to go in the 3rd year and dropping balls at an alarming rate.

People weren't talking about Dez being "good" or "very good".

"Great" and "best" were the descriptors I remember.

Has he dropped more balls than Witten this year?

[Clove]

Originally Posted by Mr Cowboy

if you're looking at stats, check dropped passes, and how many plays where they didn't know where to line up or ran the wrong route.

Counter that with how many times he's actually open, and not thrown to. We can do that all day.

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

The problem wasn't him not knowing his assignment, as has been stated already. He had a read to make on the play, as well as Tony. He read the DB coming up and attacking the play immediately, so he moved to get behind him and had him beat. Tony just didn't see it the same way. Not as simple as you'd like it to be, but i understand its easier for some to just say Dez didn't know his assignment or his route or his playbook.. because that's the group think.

Okay, I apologize. Dez didn't make the right read........better?

I keep asking how many drops he has this season, and people keep referencing this one game. Yes, he had a bad game.. other than that, i've heard of one other drop now, in the Seattle game.

(Its not a drop when the defender breaks up the pass or knocks the ball loose during the process of a reception, btw.)

You get both hands on the ball, you're expected to make the catch. It wasn't even a huge hit like Ogletree took when he held onto it.

So scratch out the bad game he had, that he owned up to right away and took responsibility for.. he has one drop on the season.

My, that is an alarming rate.

Scratch out the bad game for what? How about we don't scratch it out in an effort to refute the notion that he's dropping balls.

If you honestly have to "scratch out" 1 of 4 to make a point you're reaching.

If we scratched out 1 of the games where he didn't drop a ball, he'd have drops in 2 of 3 games.

I'm betting he's either close to or already has more drops than he had all of last year.

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by DC Cowboy

Has he dropped more balls than Witten this year?

I dunno, probably not. I don't care. I guess if I did, I'd be in the "Witten Not Living Up To Expectations" thread.

[Prossman]

2007 roy william has 82 rec for 1300+ yards and a probowl while Calvin Johnson has 48rec 756 yrds and 4 tds.Megatrons rookie yr.
Megtron 2nd year he has 78 rec for 1331 yrds and 12 tds. nice second year
3rd year he has 67 rec for 987 yards and 5tds not bad for a 3rd year guy. he caught for over 1100 in year 4 and last year he broke out with 1661 as a superstar in the NFl.
Megatron is arguably the best wr in the NFl. The guy is a absolute BEAST! But he had to develop , just like dez or anyone else.The last wr i can remember to walk in and dominate the NFL from game one was Randy Moss. 90% of young wrs take 2-3yrs to start to hit their stride.

[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

You're asking for something that doesn't, and will not, ever exist regardless of who is guilty.

The team won't say he doesn't know the plays and they don't blame specific superstar players ever.

I guess since they haven't blamed either the QB or the WR it's simply nobody's fault.

As far as the route everyone is harping on as evidence that Dez "doesn't know the playbook or how to run his routes".. they have already explained what happened, as i've related several times in this thread.

What its not is justification for those still riding on the playbook and route running trains. The problem is the entire offense.. no one is in sync with each other. Its nothing specific to Dez at all if anyone bothers to pay attention. We simply can't get this unit to play together effectively.

[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

I dunno, probably not. I don't care. I guess if I did, I'd be in the "Witten Not Living Up To Expectations" thread.

..and that's the point, right there.

You don't even have a clue how many drops he has this year, but since he had one bad game where he dropped a couple.. even admitting you have no idea what the actual facts are, you come out with the "he's dropping balls at an alarming rate" bs.

Not suprised, but it gets old.

Also, saying he made the wrong read is inaccurate, too. But don't let me interrupt your lecture, professor.

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

..and that's the point, right there.

You don't even have a clue how many drops he has this year, but since he had one bad game where he dropped a couple.. even admitting you have no idea what the actual facts are, you come out with the "he's dropping balls at an alarming rate" bs.

Not suprised, but it gets old.

Also, saying he made the wrong read is inaccurate, too. But don't let me interrupt your lecture, professor.

I didn't know exactly how many he had in the Chicago game until the article came out, I just knew he had more than enough. I knew he had one in Seattle and it wasn't until I looked at the film that I saw the ball he should have held onto.

What's your point? I don't have to break out my journal and track each one to know he's dropping more balls now than he has at any other point. Has he not?

Half the games thus far. Point me to another stretch in his career where that's even been close to the case.

And FYI, my response to the Witten post was more about me not caring about Witten circumstances and that anything Witten has done is entirely irrelevant because what Witten does has no impact on what Dez does. Not to mention, I freely admit I'm giving Witten a pass. I suppose he's earned that. If at some point in time Dez is able to have a career like Witten's I'll be more than willing slide him the pass too.

As far as things getting old I think the perpetual defense for players who aren't living up to their billing is getting pretty old. Dez Bryant says his drops were unacceptable and he's being a responsible person. Other fans say he's dropping too many balls and that fan's some sort of agenda-driven idiot.

[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

I didn't know exactly how many he had in the Chicago game until the article came out, I just knew he had more than enough. I knew he had one in Seattle and it wasn't until I looked at the film that I saw the ball he should have held onto.

What's your point? I don't have to break out my journal and track each one to know he's dropping more balls now than he has at any other point. Has he not?

Half the games thus far. Point me to another stretch in his career where that's even been close to the case.

And FYI, my response to the Witten post was more about me not caring about Witten circumstances and that anything Witten has done is entirely irrelevant because what Witten does has no impact on what Dez does. Not to mention, I freely admit I'm giving Witten a pass. I suppose he's earned that. If at some point in time Dez is able to have a career like Witten's I'll be more than willing slide him the pass too.

[View Full Quote]As far as things getting old I think the perpetual defense for players who aren't living up to their billing is getting pretty old. Dez Bryant says his drops were unacceptable and he's being a responsible person. Other fans say he's dropping too many balls and that fan's some sort of agenda-driven idiot.

He dropped too many balls in the Chicago game.. in that one game, he dropped too many balls.

That doesn't all of a sudden make him a guy who drops passes at a TO rate. Its one game in his career.

Dez had like 65 catches for almost 1000 yards and 9 TD's last year in his sophomore season. That's hardly "not living up to his billing".

[casmith07]

He's the worst WR ever selected in Dallas.

/sarcasm