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11-26-2012
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#121
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Senior Member
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Location: | Kingston Canada |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by peplaw06
OL has been our problem for going on 3 years now, and Garrett hasn't fixed it yet.
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This might be my biggest complaint with Garrett supporters.
One of the primary reasons they champion him is because he has improved our roster.
And yet, the unit on the team that has long needed the most improvement has been marginalized, ignored and haphazardly put together under Garrett. Why hasn't he improved the OL? He's tried and they suck worse than ever.
It's the unit that Garrett fans constantly point to as the reason why his offense doesn't work. Why our head coach isn't getting real, tangible results. The major impediment to his eventual greatness.
If Garrett absolutely needs a great OL for his offense to work (and consequently, to look like the genius he is purported to be), why the hell doesn't (or can't) he improve that part of the roster?
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11-26-2012
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#122
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Right Kind of Guy
Years Donated 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CATCH17
Im guessing he would at least attempt to coach around it and do some things to help a bad oline out. Unlike Garrett.
If you can't adjust your system to your talent then you shouldn't be coaching.
You're never going to have a perfect team in this era of football.
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Callahan and Garrett have both tried to coach around it. That is obvious if you watch the games. It isn't enough. They both know it and so do all of us.
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11-26-2012
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#123
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Senior Member
Years Donated 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012
Joined: | May 2005 |
Location: | Chesterfield, VA |
Posts: | 7,940 |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hostile
The OL is our problem. Don't tell me he would fix it. So will Garrett.
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I don't think Payton or many other coaches would have gone into this season having done so little to address the OL problems/questions we had, especially knowing you're flipping your Tackles.
"I just kind of stopped in the middle of a route, which is the worst thing you can do," Ogletree said. "He just told me, 'What were you thinking?' I kind of mumbled something to him and he was like, 'You're stupid.' "
"If we can get the running game going early, that'll open up the passing game for Troy." - Jerry Jones, 11/12/12
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11-26-2012
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#124
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Right Kind of Guy
Years Donated 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilyin
I don't think Payton or many other coaches would have gone into this season having done so little to address the OL problems/questions we had, especially knowing you're flipping your Tackles.
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You can speculate that and I can speculate that given our cap room and other needs he would have had to.
Neither of us can prove the other wrong.
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11-26-2012
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#125
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Senior Member
Joined: | May 2009 |
Location: | Idaho |
Posts: | 4,731 |
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Has anyone really payed attention to what the Saints offense is predicated around?
Wouldn't you agree that Romo friendly also means running the ball more effectively?
Is that what the Saints do to beat their opponents?
I wonder what would happen on this board the first drop back from Payton's offense and Romo is smacked in the face?
Next HC up?
"It's little bit like the description of pornography from years back. It's hard to define it. But you know what it is at the end of it. It's hard to define it. I think you know who is more physical. Often times you see that in the fourth quarter. A lot of time the team on the other side feels it. We pride ourselves on being a physical football team. It's important to us. It's an important time of the year to lay that foundation." - Coach Garrett
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11-26-2012
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#126
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Senior Member
Joined: | May 2009 |
Location: | Idaho |
Posts: | 4,731 |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilyin
I don't think Payton or many other coaches would have gone into this season having done so little to address the OL problems/questions we had, especially knowing you're flipping your Tackles.
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Improving the defense was the first priority this offseason.
You wouldn't know it with the injuries to everyone but they've gotten better.
"It's little bit like the description of pornography from years back. It's hard to define it. But you know what it is at the end of it. It's hard to define it. I think you know who is more physical. Often times you see that in the fourth quarter. A lot of time the team on the other side feels it. We pride ourselves on being a physical football team. It's important to us. It's an important time of the year to lay that foundation." - Coach Garrett
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11-26-2012
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#127
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Senior Member
Joined: | Jan 2008 |
Posts: | 2,356 |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hostile
Nate can be, I agree. I think he put Timmy Mac in his place.
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Hate loves his former teammate and is backing him more than giving a thumbs down to Payton.
And no, Timmy Mac put Jerry in his place, I guess you saw that interview huh.
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11-26-2012
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#128
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Business is a Boomin
Joined: | Jan 2009 |
Location: | Romo's Bandwagon |
Posts: | 11,662 |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hostile
There is literally no chance.
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Too funny.
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11-26-2012
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#129
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1st Round Pick
Years Donated 2010, 2011, 2013
Joined: | Apr 2004 |
Posts: | 25,195 |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hostile
Callahan and Garrett have both tried to coach around it. That is obvious if you watch the games. It isn't enough. They both know it and so do all of us.
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I see a team that runs long routes with receivers that aren't really great route runners, has no screen game to speak of, waggles / bootlegs ?, makes them sit in their stance until the last second, tries to use a power running game when they are more finesse players, and 9 times out of 10 wants to run the ball out of formations that are heavy with TE's and a fullback from anywhere on the field.
There is no deception with this offense. What you see is what you get.
We're at our best when we can get away from that mess and go to more of a urgent / hurry up offense.
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11-26-2012
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#130
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Right Kind of Guy
Years Donated 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by birdwells1
Hate loves his former teammate and is backing him more than giving a thumbs down to Payton.
And no, Timmy Mac put Jerry in his place, I guess you saw that interview huh.
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I did, and thought he looked foolish to be quite honest.
I haven't given a thumbs down to Payton either. I am just not blind to the fact our OL is by far our biggest issue, not the HC, and that Payton could not turn this chicken crap OL into chicken salad.
It will get fixed. It has to. I personally think any coach with this OL who isn't 0-11 is doing something right. They do not play together. Not enough right, but something is right to be in games and win some.
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11-26-2012
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#131
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Right Kind of Guy
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CowboyMcCoy
Too funny.
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I agree, the fantasies by self professed "realists" are too funny.
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11-26-2012
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#132
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Drunken Mick
Joined: | Aug 2005 |
Location: | Dublin, Ireland |
Posts: | 1,876 |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hostile
Nate can be, I agree. I think he put Timmy Mac in his place.
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Of course, I meant you.
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11-26-2012
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#133
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Banned
Joined: | Aug 2012 |
Posts: | 817 |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hostile
I agree, the fantasies by self professed "realists" are too funny.
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What happened to the homers' fantasties of winning of out?
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11-26-2012
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#134
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Right Kind of Guy
Years Donated 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BAZ
Of course, I meant you.
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I appreciate that. Thank you. Respect back at ya. 
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11-26-2012
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#135
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Right Kind of Guy
Years Donated 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Numbers921
What happened to the homers' fantasties of winning of out?
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I don't know. In the same leaky bucket as the idiot's fantasies of losing out I guess. I was never in either bucket.
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