McShay top 32/Kiper big board 11/21/12....

[Risen Star]

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McShay

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft...atest-rankings

1. Jarvis Jones* OLB Georgia
2. Star Lotulelei DT Utah
3. Chance Warmack G Alabama
4. Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame
5. Damontre Moore* DE Texas A&M

6. Luke Joeckel* T Texas A&M
7. Johnathan Hankins* DT Ohio St.
8. Barkevious Mingo* DE LSU
9. Sylvester Williams DT North Carolina
10. Bjoern Werner* DE Florida St.

11. Dee Milliner* CB Alabama
12. Jonathan Cooper G North Carolina
13. Cornellius Carradine DE Florida St.
14. Dion Jordan DE Oregon
15. Johnathan Jenkins DT Georgia

16. Geno Smith QB West Virginia
17. Taylor Lewan* T Michigan
18. Sam Montgomery* DE LSU
19. Alec Ogletree* ILB Georgia
20. Kenny Vaccaro S Texas

21. Corey Lemonier* DE Auburn
22. Eric Fisher T Central Michigan
23. Ezekiel Ansah* DE BYU
24. Matt Barkley QB USC
25. Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri

26. Justin Hunter* WR Tennessee
27. Kawann Short DT Purdue
28. Keenan Allen* WR California
29. Dallas Thomas T Tennessee
30. Zach Ertz* TE Stanford
31. Johnthan Banks CB Mississippi St.
32. Tavon Austin WR West Virginia

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Kiper

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story...oard-additions

1. Jarvis Jones* OLB Georgia
2. Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame
3. Star Lotulelei DT Utah
4. Damontre Moore* DE Texas A&M
5. Luke Joeckel* T Texas A&M

6. Barkevious Mingo* DE LSU
7. Chance Warmack G Alabama
8. Taylor Lewan* T Michigan
9. Johnathan Hankins* DT Ohio St.
10. Bjoern Werner* DE Florida St.

11. Dee Milliner* CB Alabama
12. Cordarrelle Patterson* WR Tennessee
13. Jonathan Cooper G North Carolina
14. Alec Ogletree* ILB Georgia
15. Anthony Barr* OLB UCLA

16. Sam Montgomery* DE LSU
17. Kenny Vaccaro S Texas
18. Tyler Eifert* TE Notre Dame
19. Cornellius Carradine DE Florida St.
20. Sheldon Richardson* DT Missouri

21. Eric Fisher T Central Michigan
22. Johnathan Jenkins DT Georgia
23. Khaseem Greene OLB Rutgers
24. Matt Barkley QB USC
25. Geno Smith QB West Virginia

[RS12]

17. Taylor Lewan* T Michigan
18. Sam Montgomery* DE LSU

Lets say this is our spot. What do you do? O Line or D Line.

[tm1119]

So what exactly is McShay's fascination with Slyvester Williams? Hes a nice player and everything, but #9 seems a bit ridiculous.

And the more I look at this 1st round the more I don't like it. Just not a whole lot of options in the 11-18 range that we are likely to land.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by RS12

Lets say this is our spot. What do you do? O Line or D Line.

Trade down to #29 and pick Dallas Thomas and get an extra 2nd round pick.

Look for one of the following to "fall" to the 2nd round:
Anthony Barr
Ezekiel Ansah
Corey Lemonier

or one of the injured players in the 2nd or later:
Tank Carradine
Brandon Jenkins
Quanterus Smith

Use the other 2nd round pick on Khalad Holmes.

[the_h0wey]

Originally Posted by xwalker

Trade down to #29 and pick Dallas Thomas and get an extra 2nd round pick.

Look for one of the following to "fall" to the 2nd round:
Anthony Barr
Ezekiel Ansah
Corey Lemonier

or one of the injured players in the 2nd or later:
Tank Carradine
Brandon Jenkins
Quanterus Smith

Use the other 2nd round pick on Khalad Holmes.

I like this idea. We need as many picks as we can get. That is why this years draft was so frustrating. Jerry seems to think we are one player away, and I like Claiborne, but we need help at multiple positions.

[robert70x7]

Compilation

1. Jarvis Jones
2. Star Lotulelei
3. Manti Te'o
4. Damontre Moore
5. Chance Warmack
6. Luke Joeckel
7. Barkevious Mingo
8. Johnathan Hankins
9. Bjoern Werner
10. Dee Milliner
11. Jonathan Cooper
12. Taylor Lewan
13. Tank Carradine
14. Alec Ogletree
15. Sam Montgomery
16. Sylvester Williams
17. John Jenkins
18. Kenny Vacarro
19. Dion Jordan
20. Geno Smith
21. Eric Fisher
22. Sheldon Richardson
23. Cordarelle Patterson
24. Matt Barkley
25. Corey Lemonier
26. Anthony Barr
27. Ezekiel Ansah
28. Tyler Eifert
29. Justin Hunter
30. Kawaan Short
31. Khaseem Greene
32. Keenan Allen
33. Dallas Thomas
34. Zach Ertz
35. Johnathan Banks
36. Tavon Austin

Dropped from Rankings - Jake Matthews, DJ Fluker, Robert Woods, Bennie Logan

[jnday]

Originally Posted by the_h0wey

I like this idea. We need as many picks as we can get. That is why this years draft was so frustrating. Jerry seems to think we are one player away, and I like Claiborne, but we need help at multiple positions.

If a trade-back would have took place last year, Osemele and Cordy Glenn could have been Cowboys and the oline would be much better. They still would have another pick after taking these two. The Mo trade is not looking too good IMO.

[the_h0wey]

Originally Posted by jnday

If a trade-back would have took place last year, Osemele and Cordy Glenn could have been Cowboys and the oline would be much better. They still would have another pick after taking these two. The Mo trade is not looking too good IMO.

I agree with you 100%

[Risen Star]

The QBs are dropping like bombs. I expect that will change once they work out. Not that it should change, but it will. They always get overdrafted.

[robert70x7]

Compilation

1. Jarvis Jones
2. Star Lotulelei
3. Manti Te'o
4. Damontre Moore
5. Chance Warmack
6. Luke Joeckel
7. Barkevious Mingo
8. Johnathan Hankins
9. Bjoern Werner
10. Dee Milliner
11. Jonathan Cooper (12)
12. Taylor Lewan (13)
13. Tank Carradine (16)
14. Alec Ogletree (15)
15. Sam Montgomery (14)
16. Sylvester Williams (20)
17. John Jenkins (18)
18. Kenny Vacarro (19)
19. Dion Jordan (21)
20. Geno Smith (11)
21. Eric Fisher (NR)
22. Sheldon Richardson
23. Cordarelle Patterson (NR)
24. Matt Barkley (17)
25. Corey Lemonier (24)
26. Anthony Barr (NR)
27. Ezekiel Ansah
28. Tyler Eifert (25)
29. Justin Hunter (26)
30. Kawaan Short (29)
31. Khaseem Greene (28)
32. Keenan Allen (23)
33. Dallas Thomas (31)
34. Zach Ertz (33)
35. Johnathan Banks (34)
36. Tavon Austin (NR)

Dropped from Rankings - Jake Matthews (30), DJ Fluker (32), Robert Woods (35), Bennie Logan (36)

[visionary]

Originally Posted by jnday

If a trade-back would have took place last year, Osemele and Cordy Glenn could have been Cowboys and the oline would be much better. They still would have another pick after taking these two. The Mo trade is not looking too good IMO.

i've said this a million times

not just osemele and glenn, we could have had decastro since he didnt go until 22

jerry likes the shiny toys

[DBOY3141]

Originally Posted by visionary

i've said this a million times

not just osemele and glenn, we could have had decastro since he didnt go until 22

jerry likes the shiny toys

We should have stayed put and took Brockers and Konz. Both lines need help. This year take Mingo and and trade up in the 2nd and take Thomas.

OL - Smith/Livings/Konz/Thomas/Parnell
DL - Crawford/Brockers/Mingo - Lissmore/Brent/Hatcher

We would be a lot further along. But with the worst GM in the history of football, we will always end up with shiny toys vs a quality football team.

[dfense]

Originally Posted by RS12

Lets say this is our spot. What do you do? O Line or D Line.

Either

[Manwiththeplan]

Originally Posted by DBOY3141

We should have stayed put and took Brockers and Konz. Both lines need help. This year take Mingo and and trade up in the 2nd and take Thomas.

OL - Smith/Livings/Konz/Thomas/Parnell
DL - Crawford/Brockers/Mingo - Lissmore/Brent/Hatcher

We would be a lot further along. But with the worst GM in the history of football, we will always end up with shiny toys vs a quality football team.

You call Jerry Jones the worst GM in the history of football and then suggest playing the 6-5 240 pound Mingo as a DE in a 3-4?

[Boys122]

Originally Posted by xwalker

[color=Blue]Trade down to #29 and pick Dallas Thomas and get an extra 2nd round pick.

I'm with ya there.