Those for JGarrett in 2013

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by Aven8

Oh please. Quit making him out like he made all of these decisions. "He's retooled the secondary". Give me a break. Rob, Jerry, and Tom did that. I don't like him, but I can be open minded.

Being open-minded hardly helps when your eyes are closed.

Of course the HC is heavily involved in which positions get addressed. Especially since it obviously means other positions--some of which you're even willing to credit him for having some say in--will then go unaddressed or under addressed.

There's no chance Jason Garrett wasn't heavily involved in the decisions to sign Carr, extend Church, let Jenkins walk, and draft Claiborne. Honestly, I can't even believe you actually think he wasn't.

Though, if you do, and if others agree with you, it explains a lot of what I'd normally just consider posters being blinded by their own dislike.

The coaches define the players they want in order to accomplish what they want in their schemes, the scouts find that in the college ranks, and score the current roster and NFL free agents relative to the talent we've got in-house, then meet with the coaches to recommend best-fits and discuss whether or not the prospects are actually fits for what was wanted. Once they get their priority targets set, the front office works with them to figure out what can be accomplished and what's the best set of options to pursue, and then try to get the deals done. The HC is involved in just about every stage of that process, with the coordinators and position coaches participating where it affects their respective areas. This means Garrett's got an extra coordinator to work with on the defensive side, but the process is otherwise the same as it is on offense where he's acting as his own coordinator.

[DenCWBY]

Originally Posted by a_minimalist

Lol you didn't even come close to striking a nerve my man. The FACT is that you guys live in a bubble and dismiss FACTS that don't fit into your agenda/argument. There have been plenty of posts providing FACTS about what JG has done. The Garrett supporters are just tired of repeating themselves. Talking to you guys is similar to talking to a wall. That's why the majority of the supporters stopped posting. Your bubble is impenetrable.

I guess time will tell who is delusional and who is not. THE END

What I thought. Thanks for making my case.

[a_minimalist]

Originally Posted by DenCWBY

What I thought. Thanks for making my case.

No problem! Whatever I can do to keep you in your bubble.

[Eskimo]

anti-JG: So what improvement has there been?

pro-JG: lists five things

anti-JG: give me a break because
a. someone else deserves the credit for that such as the assistant coach or coordinators that he hand-picked
b. our won-loss record isn't better

So there is absolutely nothing that the anti-JG crowd will accept until point b is fixed so there is no point having this argument at all because your minds are already made up and you will skew any arguments to point b as proof that nothing is better even if it is.

This whole thread is stupid.

Let the season play out and you'll get your answer in the off-season as to whether Garrett is back.

[a_minimalist]

Originally Posted by Eskimo

anti-JG: So what improvement has there been?

pro-JG: lists five things

anti-JG: give me a break because
a. someone else deserves the credit for that such as the assistant coach or coordinators that he hand-picked
b. our won-loss record isn't better

So there is absolutely nothing that the anti-JG crowd will accept until point b is fixed so there is no point having this argument at all because your minds are already made up and you will skew any arguments to point b as proof that nothing is better even if it is.

This whole thread is stupid.

Let the season play out and you'll get your answer in the off-season as to whether Garrett is back.

Exactly.

[rcaldw]

Originally Posted by DenCWBY

Saw it but did not see any positives for JG that provided factual data or statisical data which would make a case for JG to stay. I have seen tons of data on the other side.

lol.... Ok, I understand the thread now.

[rcaldw]

Originally Posted by Eskimo

anti-JG: So what improvement has there been?

pro-JG: lists five things

anti-JG: give me a break because
a. someone else deserves the credit for that such as the assistant coach or coordinators that he hand-picked
b. our won-loss record isn't better

So there is absolutely nothing that the anti-JG crowd will accept until point b is fixed so there is no point having this argument at all because your minds are already made up and you will skew any arguments to point b as proof that nothing is better even if it is.

This whole thread is stupid.

Let the season play out and you'll get your answer in the off-season as to whether Garrett is back.

Spot on.... this is the truth.

[17yearsandcounting]

If Jason Garrett weren't the former clip board holder and Aikman butt slapper, would any of you be so vehemently defending him?

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by 17yearsandcounting

If Jason Garrett weren't the former clip board holder and Aikman butt slapper, would any of you be so vehemently defending him?

My opinion of him has nothing to do with his time here as a backup QB. So, yes.

[Doomsay]

Originally Posted by Aven8

I keep hearing, even from the anti JG crowd, how the roster has gotten better since he became HC.

I have a hard time believing JG said lets get Carter, Wilbur, Crawford, etc. The choices he has made is Canning the old Oline, and replacing it with undrafted FA's and JAGs. Outside of Tyron what has he done? The rest of the O has been here for a while now. In fact he didn't want Hanna this past season. Demarco looks like a stud, but I don't think he will ever make it through a 16 game season.

Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

No kidding.

First, if the talent is better, why can't he win with it?

And second, who thinks he seriously makes picks like Bruce Carter anyway? Jerry plainly told us that was Lacewell and old crony Butch Davis.

Yeah, there is a strange sort of matrix logic going on here: Jason should get credit for bringing in good players, but how could he possibly judged by the success of the team because the linemen are so terrible?

Jason probably has done some things better at the personnel level than his predecessor, but his team, especially his offense, plays terribly, week in and week out, with little exception. They are incredibly sloppy and mistake-prone. How is that a good thing, and how does the blame for their lack of execution not fall on his shoulders?

[cannonball44]

Originally Posted by Eskimo

anti-JG: So what improvement has there been?

pro-JG: lists five things

anti-JG: give me a break because
a. someone else deserves the credit for that such as the assistant coach or coordinators that he hand-picked
b. our won-loss record isn't better

So there is absolutely nothing that the anti-JG crowd will accept until point b is fixed so there is no point having this argument at all because your minds are already made up and you will skew any arguments to point b as proof that nothing is better even if it is.

This whole thread is stupid.

Let the season play out and you'll get your answer in the off-season as to whether Garrett is back.

a hundred threads and ten thousand redundant posts recycling cyclical arguments all summarized. nice.

can you do one for the jerry threads to?

[nake]

Originally Posted by Doomsay

Yeah, there is a strange sort of matrix logic going on here: Jason should get credit for bringing in good players, but how could he possibly judged by the success of the team because the linemen are so terrible?

Jason probably has done some things better at the personnel level than his predecessor, but his team, especially his offense, plays terribly, week in and week out, with little exception. They are incredibly sloppy and mistake-prone. How is that a good thing, and how does the blame for their lack of execution not fall on his shoulders?

The whole OL debacle smacks of a Jerry Jones financial/aging linemen decision gone wrong. He got rid of the old, expensive guys but only came up with one viable lineman in the draft and a bunch of scrubs patched in together since. I assume the next draft and free agents will be dedicated to fixing the OL, unless Jerry thinks having the worst running game in the league, and a QB who has to risk injury to take a five step drop, is the ticket to the promised land.

[benson]

Reasons why I love Jason Garrett and wish he stays for another 10 years:


1. He always has our players prepared to play a 60 minute ball game from the opening whistle, to the last hut. He has this team playing smart consistent football for 16 games a season, every season.



2. He emphasizes health and conditioning in practice and in the lifestyle at valley ranch, making sure that the players have the experienced personal trainers to meet their needs and ensure we maximize each players health over a 16-game season.


3. Jason Garrett recognizes that every team has strengths and weaknesses and his Cowboys are no exception. As such, he works to hide our weaknesses by not wasting any time calling short passing routes to get the ball out of Romo's hand and getting our more mobile lineman out in space by calling plenty of screens which favor the speed and strength we have at skill positions.

4. Jason Garrett's managing of the clock so far has been impeccable, showing a true wisdom for game management beyond his years. Late in the 4th, I can count on Garrett to put us in a position to win, every time.

5. Jason Garrett brings a culture of accountability to Dallas not seen in a while. Players know that when Garrett claps his hands loudly that they better never put that football on the ground again.

6. Jason Garrett knows that in this modern day NFL nothing is a better asset than a versatile, diverse gameplan. Garrett runs a plethora of different run schemes and pass plays because he knows that running HB dives and go-routes every play is not a recipe for success.

7. Jason Garret, being from Princeton, recognized that if the Cowboys have had a weakness over the past couple of years it has been along both offensive and defensive lines. Being the great coach and leader of men Garrett is, he told his GM that he would not rest until he was given legitimate NFL talent at the 5 OL and 3 DL positions the Cowboys needed.

Just a couple of reasons off the top of my head to keep JG here for the long haul, he gives this franchise hope it has not seen in many years.

[17yearsandcounting]

lol at #5

[big dog cowboy]

Originally Posted by 17yearsandcounting

If Jason Garrett weren't the former clip board holder and Aikman butt slapper, would any of you be so vehemently defending him?

What the hell?