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Old 01-14-2013   #46
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What scares me is how that zone scheme got owned last night in New England, and with better lineman.

Of course, it's working in Washington.
Well it fits Tyron's strength and it fit's Demarco's strength as a runner.


I have no problem with the run plays we use but I do not like the formations we use and I do not like the fact that we switched to a more "athletic" style of lineman only to keep trying to cram it up the gut.

I just think with where the NFL is going and where College is that it would be better to use that scheme.
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I think this is part of the reason Jerry likes Garrett so much. That and being a friend of the family and former player.

Most hot commodity coaches don't want to come here and cost a lot of money. This one did want to come here, so Jerry wrote the check. He doesn't prefer to pay head coaches much in general.
But I don't agree with that. I wouldn't want to come here but I haven't seen any evidence of any coach or player feeling that way.

Jerry knows what he needs to do to hire one of these big name head coaches. He did it with Parcells. He can do it again. It's just a question of if and when he wants to.

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Well it fits Tyron's strength and it fit's Demarco's strength as a runner.


I have no problem with the run plays we use but I do not like the formations we use and I do not like the fact that we switched to a more "athletic" style of lineman only to keep trying to cram it up the gut.

I just think with where the NFL is going and where College is that it would be better to use that scheme.
Yes, because when you sign Nate Livings and MacKenzy Bernadeau you are making your OL much more athletic.

You're talking over your head.

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I don't think Jerry pulls the rug out from under Garrett just to give Callahan the playcalling duties.

Our offensive scheme needs to be trashed.
well I think a WC style would be good, and would not mind Callahan as our playcaller right now. Right now, I know one thing and that is, like you imply, JG needs to not call the offense.
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But I don't agree with that. I wouldn't want to come here but I haven't seen any evidence of any coach or player feeling that way.

Jerry knows what he needs to do to hire one of these big name head coaches. He did it with Parcells. He can do it again. It's just a question of if and when he wants to.
True.

But remember, there are only 32 of these gigs in the world, and that star still resembles the Yankee pinstripes.

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I think this is part of the reason Jerry likes Garrett so much. That and being a friend of the family and former player.

Most hot commodity coaches don't want to come here and cost a lot of money. This one did want to come here, so Jerry wrote the check. He doesn't prefer to pay head coaches much in general.
Jerry likes him so much because he's "comfortable" with him. He employed his dad and he employed him for years. He knows Jason is going to know who's boss in this organization.

That's what was so funny about all the "Jerry has turned over this franchise to Jason!" talk from a couple of years ago when Garrett got the gig. You think Jerry is going to plot and scheme for a decade or more to hire someone who is going to push him out or even push against him too hard? It's a hilarious concept.

But it's wrong to say no one wants to come here. The coach in my sig is one of the best coaches of the last couple of decades and was practically openly campaigning for the job.
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I very highly doubt Jason Garrett is pissed off.
while the article can be "clever" it screams AGENDA cause of all the "ego-stroking" "clutesy playcalling" that said author is not likely highly qualified to judge, just read what the media says and he picks what he wants to say the same thing.

at least he's saying it more creative, but same thing.
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Even if he has to fire his brother?

I'm not saying a disagree with the organizational changes. I'm just trying to get into Garrett's head.
John Garrett has already told Jason he hopes to return to the college ranks as a HC one day.

I've fired my brother twice. It doesn't hurt that bad.
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He had other head coaching opportunities before Dallas. So if money was the motivating factor, he'd have taken that pay raise.

He's here because this is where he always wanted to be.

If it were me, this would be the last place I'd want to be as a coach or player.
I agree. Who in their right mind, could put up with the constant whining on here?
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I agree. Who in their right mind, could put up with the constant whining on here?
A real coach would never peak in here. I suspect Wade had over 2,000 secret posts.
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I agree. Who in their right mind, could put up with the constant whining on here?

It has gotten to the point that working for less money and being on a team besides Dallas is optimal to ones career beit Coach or Player.


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Basically that he was in Jerry's ear all season about getting Monte Kiffin in here and that we would never be able to get a coach like Kiffin with the current rules for hiring a coach.


He sounded like he really didn't like Parcells and was very disapointed we moved away from the Mike Zimmer defense.


You should hear him talk about our defenses and Zimmer from the early to mid 2000's. He sounds like we innovated something.


You can listen to the interview on that dallas cowboy fanatic's website.
And somehow that is something that is sufficient enough to mean that Kiffin was a Jerry hire.

Give me a break.





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It has gotten to the point that working for less money and being on a team besides Dallas is optimal to ones career beit Coach or Player.
Could have fooled me.

That alone is illogical just because no coach every truly leaves the Cowboys. If Jerry was so unbearable, they would realize that and take less money to get out of town.

Except, that doesn't happen.





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Imagine, the name on your business card reads "Jason Garrett, Head Coach, Dallas Cowboys".

You've had your run of the mill now for a good while now. You've been the rare prodigal coach, despite a paper-thin resume, compared to other unaccomplished head coaches before you. Incredibly, you actually got hired and paid handsomely just to be the offensive coordinator BEFORE the last head coach was hired.....how dadgum ego-strokingly cool is that!

Kiss your bad self.

Now, you man the position held in posterity for your eventual annointment. Two years in, it's been a rocky, anguished road behind that stoic face you put forth in public time and again. You're making over the roster without "making over the roster". You're rebuilding the culture without "rebuilding the culture". You're managing the whims and follies of a half-cocked, aging, paranoid man whose means and scruples know little bounds.
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Spot on once again with another slice of the circus. Has JG said one thing to the public since the Ryan firing (besides the perverbial "we're going in a different direction")?
Erod - Your take here is basically the same as those talking heads all over ESPN/NFL network spewing from athletes, retired coaches, retired cowboys...etc.
At this point, I'm unfortunately inclined to believe them/you until I hear JG get in front of the mic to rip, "Hell ya, I got Kiff and we're excitied about our D. I had detailed meetings with him and we have a very good plan for our D. I'm still looking at other adjustments on offense to help improve our team and at this point I have nothing else".
On record, I do want JG back for another season but in order to prosper, he has to have the public authority. I think he has to grow some onions and publiclly own all these decisions that are presently going down. His silence is only confirming that JJ is pulling all the strings.
Perhaps JG is just trying to save his job and he's trying to dodge JJs bullets until the smoke clears (calling plays or not).
I guess the most frustrating thing is the rumors and the silence from those that are accused and JJ's press conferences which are mostly clueless only making it sound worse.
Perhaps JJ is setting everyone up? Hope so, but from what I have seen in the past, doubt it.
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