Jay Glazer says Jerry is "stripping power" from Garrett - Page 3 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

theogt · 01-25-2013

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Originally Posted by SilverStarCowboy

That bad music is being forced on all the players, fans and coaches not just on this squad but all around the NFL...and it's not pretty.

It's been a looong time since we seen football around here and this is a football State by God.

I laughed. I did.

dadymat · 01-25-2013

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Originally Posted by wileedog

I'm saying he is not qualified to write music, or in other words to be the GM for an NFL team. He has the job because he amassed enough money to buy one.

Maybe we are differing in our definition of a "football guy", but to me its not just someone who has been privileged enough to be around other football people for a long time. There is obviously an aptitude for it that is necessary and that Jerry clearly lacks.

My mother could spend 20 years hanging out with football people. That will never make her a capable NFL GM or "football person" either.

enlighten us on your definition

cowboyeric8 · 01-25-2013

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Originally Posted by SilverStarCowboy

That bad music is being forced on all the players, fans and coaches not just on this squad but all around the NFL...and it's not pretty.

It's been a looong time since we seen football around here and this is a football State by God.

Really I saw 16 games last year. How about you?

wileedog · 01-26-2013

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Originally Posted by theogt

Oh, you must incorrectly think knowledge can't be purchased. He bought it. With time and money. His application of knowledge and experience may prove wrong, but that's not what we're talking about.

It 100% exactly what we are talking about as long as he is the GM.

wileedog · 01-26-2013

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Originally Posted by dadymat

enlighten us on your definition

A guy who properly applies his football knowledge and experience to make sound decisions.

Submitted with props to theogt for summing it up quite nicely.

SilverStarCowboy · 01-26-2013

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Originally Posted by cowboyeric8

Really I saw 16 games last year. How about you?

For the first time since 1991 I watched less than 14 games....it was kinda sad, missed parts of most games, losing interest as the debacles ran their course, missed at least one last year too..... after about a 20 year run without missing a single Dallas Cowboys game.

cowboyeric8 · 01-26-2013

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Originally Posted by SilverStarCowboy

For the first time since 1991 I watched less than 14 games....it was kinda sad, missed parts of most games, losing interest as the debacles ran the corse, missed at least one last year too after a 20 year run....yeah.

Thanks that's all I needed to know.

DOUBLE WING · 01-26-2013

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Originally Posted by theogt

Sure, he may not be equipped to be a GM, but it's not because he's "not a football guy".

You can slap whatever phrase on it you want. He doesn't know how to build a football team and he doesn't know how to spot talent. At least not enough to successfully draft it.

Vanilla2 · 01-26-2013

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Originally Posted by theogt

Jerry Jones bought the Cowboys when you were just shy of puberty. He has been running an NFL team ever since, around some of the most talented coaches, scouts and players to ever be involved in the game. The idea that he is not a "football guy" had merit in the 1990s -- at least the early part thereof. You're simply 20 years late. He may be stupid. He may be egotistical. But he learned more about football before the turn of the century than you'll hope to learn in a lifetime. Stop exhaling whatever hot air some worthless radio personality breathed into your skull.

Exactly.

**ScipioCowboy** · 01-26-2013

I tend to agree with Theo here. Denying that Jerry is football guy is akin to saying that Jerry is a meddling owner. Neither are true. Jerry is the GM. He does the things GMs do.

He just hasn't done them particularly well over the past 15 years.

SilverStarCowboy · 01-26-2013

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Originally Posted by Vanilla2

Exactly.

Blame it on whatever you want....from Coast to Coast across America from Pros to 8 year olds, to Coaches, to Fans to Players alike around the NFL, pros or cons.....we all know the only one real problem with your Dallas Cowboys and everyone knows what that problem is.....

cowboyeric8 · 01-26-2013

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Originally Posted by ScipioCowboy

I tend to agree with Theo here. Denying that Jerry is football guy is akin to saying that Jerry is a meddling owner. Neither are true. Jerry is the GM. He does the things GMs do.

He just hasn't done them particularly well over the past 15 years.

I can definitely agree with this. Patience, let Garrett work. We aren't going to get anywhere changing coaches every two years. Consistency and better drafting which is what has been happening.

dadymat · 01-26-2013

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Originally Posted by wileedog

A guy who properly applies his football knowledge and experience to make sound decisions.

Submitted with props to theogt for summing it up quite nicely.

your definition is light .....and has a convenient out to attack when everything doesnt go perfectly......

with that definition I could argue every single GM in the league sucks....

hell we could start with the two SB teams.....
if SF is so great how come weve been to the playoffs more than them in the last 17 years?...weve also won a SB since they have....

Ravens, if their GM is so great why did it take them till 4 years ago to find a QB?...why did he hire such a bad OC only to fire mid season?...not to mention the GM there offered the same HC we have now the HC job over Harbaugh ?

wanna talk about the Patriots?....they are so smart they have maybe the best QB to ever play the game yet they refuse to surround him with talent to finish the seasons....if they would build him a Defense and give him some WRs that can make plays he would have 6 rings by now

Steelers?....well what GM in their right mind would have a DC in is 70's?

history is an easy thing to dissect....

now give me a real definition, what experience level?....how many years?.....give me something to prove you have something in that big bag of nothing you brought

wileedog · 01-26-2013

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Originally Posted by dadymat

your definition is light .....and has a convenient out to attack when everything doesnt go perfectly......

with that definition I could argue every single GM in the league sucks....

hell we could start with the two SB teams.....
if SF is so great how come weve been to the playoffs more than them in the last 17 years?...weve also won a SB since they have....

Ravens, if their GM is so great why did it take them till 4 years ago to find a QB?...why did he hire such a bad OC only to fire mid season?...not to mention the GM there offered the same HC we have now the HC job over Harbaugh ?

wanna talk about the Patriots?....they are so smart they have maybe the best QB to ever play the game yet they refuse to surround him with talent to finish the seasons....if they would build him a Defense and give him some WRs that can make plays he would have 6 rings by now

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Good Lord.

17 years, 1 playoff win. We should have won more than that just by accident in this watered down league.

You tell me what the problem is.

gimmesix · 01-26-2013

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Originally Posted by theogt

Sure, he may not be equipped to be a GM, but it's not because he's "not a football guy".

And ultimately, it does not matter. What we need to concentrate on is things that can change, not things that won't. Jerry is not giving up being GM, best we can hope for is for him to fix the other problems with this 8-8 team.

Now, I didn't see Ryan as a problem, but I didn't see what he was doing on defense as a solution, either. It was just OK.

I do see Garrett's play-calling as a problem, so I'm happy we're trying something else.

I don't (yet) see Garrett's head-coaching ability as a problem. I thought he did a good job with the team handling the Brent situation. And he does seem to have a handle on some of the details of being a head coach.

I'll take the changes we've been given, along with hopefully a few personnel changes, and see what happens ... rather than sit here and worry about something I know that isn't going to change, Jerry running the team as GM.

I guess others are content constantly wringing their hands about it, but I don't want to spend my time as a fan that way.