Trading a Franchised Player

[Mr_Bill]

Originally Posted by honyock

So if he gets franchised and the team lets it be known that he's being shopped, can his agent have direct talks with potential trade partners about contract matters? Assuming the Cowboys gave permission for that, is it allowed by the league for a player/agent to talk with other teams before a trade?

According to the current CBA, it depends on whether the player is designated as an Exclusive or Non-Exclusive Franchise Player. A Non-Exclusive player can negotiate with any team (including the Franchising team). An Exclusive player may only 'negotiate or sign' with the Franchising team.

If a Non-Exclusive player signs a contract with another team, the Franchising team is awarded 2 first-round draft picks from the new team.

However, any Franchised player can be traded for whatever the market will bear. The Franchise tag goes along with him, and the new team must be able to absorb the cap hit. It can then negotiate whatever contract it can obtain with the player.

Joey Galloway was a Non-Exclusive Franchised Player. He was actually traded to the Cowboys, though. He had negotiated a contract with the Cowboys before the deal went through. The Cowboys agreed to pay the Seahawks the full compensation of 2 first-round picks, to keep any other team from grabbing him.

It is reported that Dan Snyder wanted to get in on the bidding, and would have offered more. But Mike Holmgren said he had already come to an agreement with Jerry Jones and would not back out on his word. Snyder was said to have been furious and vowed to get even. This may have been the beginning of the close relationship between Jones and Holmgren.

It is to the Cowboys detriment that Holmgren was an honorable man.

[Nirvana]

Spencer has played his last down here. He will sign on with another team. There will be no franchise tag.

[junk]

If, as some have speculated, the move to a 4-3 was done in part financially to avoid having to re-sign Spencer, then getting anything for him is a win.

[Tezz]

Jared Allen, John Abraham and Matt Cassel

Franchise and then trading Spencer is very unlikely to occur due to many factors. Also, since the writing seems to be on the wall teams will wait out the situation instead of waste draft picks.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by junk

If, as some have speculated, the move to a 4-3 was done in part financially to avoid having to re-sign Spencer, then getting anything for him is a win.

If the Cowboys are not going to sign any significant Free Agents, then losing Spencer would result in a 3rd or 4th round comp pick in 2014. This is equivalent to a 4th or 5th in 2013. In other words, it might be worth it for a 7th.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by Tezz

Jared Allen, John Abraham and Matt Cassel

Franchise and then trading Spencer is very unlikely to occur due to many factors. Also, since the writing seems to be on the wall teams will wait out the situation instead of waste draft picks.

I'm trying to determine those "factors".

Why didn't teams wait out the situation with Jared Allen, Matt Cassel, etc..?

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by Nirvana

Spencer has played his last down here. He will sign on with another team. There will be no franchise tag.

What is the point of this type of post?

Without any reasons, this post has zero value.

[lostar2009]

like foreal guys why in the heck would any team trade for Spencer ??? There are like way too DE's in this draft with 1-3 round grades on them..If anything lets get some real value a real skill position player.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by lostar2009

like foreal guys why in the heck would any team trade for Spencer ??? There are like way too DE's in this draft with 1-3 round grades on them..If anything lets get some real value a real skill position player.

Not sure I understand?

[bkight13]

Originally Posted by xwalker

I'm trying to determine those "factors".

Why didn't teams wait out the situation with Jared Allen, Matt Cassel, etc..?

Teams like MINN, KC and JAX aren't usually desired destinations for FAs, so acquiring them in a trade is often the only way to get them. They can then throw a ton of money at them and lock them up for a few years.

[conner01]

Originally Posted by BraveHeartFan

What does everything think we'll honestly get for him? A 2nd at best?

If you're trading him for a 3rd or less that seems like a complete waste and the Cowboys would be much better off in finding a way to resign him if that's the case.

I mean if they could come up with a 1st or 2nd then it's worth talking about but I'd hope they wouldn't do it for anything less.

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO MEET HIS CONTRACT DEMANDS, A THIRD IS BETTER THAN NOTHING. 3RD RND PICKS ARE VERY GOOD PICKS.

[M'Kevon]

Question: if you are not willing to sign Spencer to a long term contract due to cap considerations, then how do you justify franchising him? The amount of the franchise tag must come under the salary cap when issued; even if the tag is not signed by the player, the money is deducted.

[nickjamesw43]

Originally Posted by M'Kevon

Question: if you are not willing to sign Spencer to a long term contract due to cap considerations, then how do you justify franchising him? The amount of the franchise tag must come under the salary cap when issued; even if the tag is not signed by the player, the money is deducted.

If he is traded though is it still deducted? I was under the impression that the cap hit goes away if you trade him.

[M'Kevon]

Originally Posted by nickjamesw43

If he is traded though is it still deducted? I was under the impression that the cap hit goes away if you trade him.

If traded, the cap hit goes. But you need to fit him under the cap to place the tag.

[Tezz]

You can look at it from a lot of angles as there aren't many franchise trades in history. Why doesn't every team with cap space franchise a good player before they leave like Brandon Carr or possibly Dwayne Bowe this year? Other teams would wait you out because its not worth it to trade picks and shell out a monster contract for a player that will probably hit FA if you wait another year. Draft picks have become more valued than in the past also.

I think teams view Spencer as a good player, but not the must have foundation of a defense to build around especially at age 29 with limited production in his career. He would get a nice contract as a FA, but adding in draft picks is too much. I think the Cowboys themselves don't think Spencer is worth the $11M cap hit, which could hurt the Cowboys plans in FA or whatever, teams know this and will allow the Cowboys to carry Spencer for the season under the tag.