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Old 02-12-2013   #1
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Default OL Draft Depth Question

How much difference is there perceived to be in this OL class in terms of dropoff of talent? I have heard that it is considered to be a very deep OL class.

How much drop off is there in talent from taking a guard with #18 vs trading down to the mid 20's to get extra picks?

What is the difference in talent between taking a guard at 18 and say a guard with our second or third round pick?

With the depth of this class would it be possible to get a guard with say a second round grade as late as the late 3rd or early 4th rounds?

I think if there are a bunch of guys that we think are bunched up in terms of talent, I can see us going in a different direction in the first round. But personally, I would rather see us trade down and still get our target guy in the 1st. But that's just me.
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How much difference is there perceived to be in this OL class in terms of dropoff of talent? I have heard that it is considered to be a very deep OL class.

How much drop off is there in talent from taking a guard with #18 vs trading down to the mid 20's to get extra picks?

What is the difference in talent between taking a guard at 18 and say a guard with our second or third round pick?

With the depth of this class would it be possible to get a guard with say a second round grade as late as the late 3rd or early 4th rounds?

I think if there are a bunch of guys that we think are bunched up in terms of talent, I can see us going in a different direction in the first round. But personally, I would rather see us trade down and still get our target guy in the 1st. But that's just me.
IMO, there is a significant gap after the top 5 OL.
Joeckel
Fisher
Johnson
Warmack
Cooper

There are multiple quality players in rounds 2 and later. The top 5 guys are both ready early (i.e. day-1 starter types) AND have high upsides.

The next set of players are either ready now with limited upside (the Barrett Jones type) or have high-upside but are not ready now (Menelik Watson).

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Tier 1:
6'6 310 OT Luke Joeckel Texas A&M
6'6 302 OT Lane Johnson Oklahoma
6'7 305 OT Eric Fisher Central Michigan
6'2 322 OG Chance Warmack Alabama
6'3 310 OG Jonathan Cooper North Carolina

Tier 2:
6'5 308 OG Dallas Thomas Tennessee
6'3 333 OG Larry Warford Kentucky
6'3 305 OC Khaled Holmes Southern California
6'4 305 OC Barrett Jones Alabama
6'4 338 OC Travis Frederick Wisconsin

Tier 3:
6'5 355 OG D.J. Fluker Alabama
6'5 310 OG Oday Aboushi Virginia
6'5 320 OT Menelik Watson Florida State
6'7 315 OT Brennan Williams North Carolina
6'4 310 OG Brian Winters Kent State
6'5 323 OT Chris Faulk LSU
6'4 295 OT David Bakhtiari Colorado
6'5 315 OG Alvin Bailey Arkansas
6'3 313 OG Hugh Thornton Illinois
6'5 304 OT Terron Armstead Arkansas-Pine Bluff
6'6 304 OG Kyle Long Oregon
6'5 333 OT Manase Foketi West Texas A&M
6'3 302 OG Omoregie Uzzi Georgia Tech

Tier 4:
6'3 307 OC Brian Schwenke California
6'2 312 OC Patrick Lewis Texas A&M
6'3 310 OC Ivory Wade Baylor
6'8 312 OT Luke Marquardt Azusa Pacific
6'3 304 OC Braxston Cave Notre Dame

Tier 5:
6'4 302 OG J.C. Tretter Cornell
6'6 311 OT Xavier Nixon Florida
6'5 294 OT David Quessenberry San Jose State
6'4 300 OG Earl Watford James Madison
6'5 301 OG Justin Pugh Syracuse
6'6 310 OT Rick Wagner Wisconsin
6'6 340 OG Travis Bond North Carolina

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Tier 1:
6'6 310 OT Luke Joeckel Texas A&M
6'6 302 OT Lane Johnson Oklahoma
6'7 305 OT Eric Fisher Central Michigan
6'2 322 OG Chance Warmack Alabama
6'3 310 OG Jonathan Cooper North Carolina

Tier 2:
6'5 308 OG Dallas Thomas Tennessee
6'3 333 OG Larry Warford Kentucky
6'3 305 OC Khaled Holmes Southern California
6'4 305 OC Barrett Jones Alabama
6'4 338 OC Travis Frederick Wisconsin

Tier 3:
6'5 355 OG D.J. Fluker Alabama
6'5 310 OG Oday Aboushi Virginia
6'5 320 OT Menelik Watson Florida State
6'7 315 OT Brennan Williams North Carolina
6'4 310 OG Brian Winters Kent State
6'5 323 OT Chris Faulk LSU
6'4 295 OT David Bakhtiari Colorado
6'5 315 OG Alvin Bailey Arkansas
6'3 313 OG Hugh Thornton Illinois
6'5 304 OT Terron Armstead Arkansas-Pine Bluff
6'6 304 OG Kyle Long Oregon
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excellent review as usual xwalker

give me one of jones/holmes/thomas/warford in rd 2 and one of the tier 3 guts in round 4 and i will be happy
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if our GM gets fired he will not get another job as GM
if our director of pro-personnel gets fired he will not get another job as that in the NFL
if our HC gets fired he will not get another job as HC in the NFL

ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE IN POSITION ONLY BECAUSE JERRY IS THE OWNER AND GM

and not one of them is qualified to do the job they are doing
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