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02-17-2013
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Lonely Stranger
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Originally Posted by burmafrd
and he is probably not even in the top 5 of romo haters here.
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Yeah, I know. All of us know who the number 1 hater is. 
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Predicting the future can be very hard, mostly because it hasn’t happened yet."
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02-17-2013
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Senior Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 5Stars
Yeah, I know. All of us know who the number 1 hater is. 
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Does his name start with a J?
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02-17-2013
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#18
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You Have an Axe to Grind
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Originally Posted by junk
Surround him with more talent so the team isn't so reliant on him.
Actually develop a functional running game that can take over parts of the game.
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That's really the only chance the Cowboys have to go far with Romo. The only elimination game the Cowboys have won under him in 7 attempts was due to a solid defensive effort and a running game that produced 198 yards. The Cowboys never got behind vs Philly during the 09 playoffs and built a lead enabling Romo to manage the game which resulted in a very solid performance and no turnovers. Entering the 09 season the Cowboys adopted the so called "Romo Friendly" offense that was designed to try and take some pressure off of him in hopes of reducing his turnovers.
It resulted in 8 fewer turnovers than he had the previous year. The 9 int's he had in 09 were the fewest of his career other than the 2010 season where he only played 6 games. The problem is no matter how solid a team you build around a QB eventually it's going to come down to them having to make some plays in a do or die situation to pull out a victory. To win a championship a team is going to have to win a minimum of 3 consecutive elimination games and at some point during at least one of those games it's going to come down to your QB having to make some plays or you're done.
If you don't have a QB who can carry their team on their shoulders for a quarter or the final few minutes of an elimination game you'll never win a championship. It's become too difficult for teams to consistently run the ball week after week and for defenses to consistently keep high powered offenses from scoring. With the rules today and the duel threat QB's no lead is safe.
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02-17-2013
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#19
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Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Clove
The rest of the team didn't throw 3 picks in the go-ahead winner take all game. Just a quick FYI.
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There's a lot more that goes into those 3 pics other then the QB but I'm sure that doesn't fit your weak agenda. Pressure on the QB, reciever running the wrong route or not fighting for the ball, the defense actually making a good play on the ball, just to name a few reasons. Footballs the ultimate team sport, its far from just the QB.
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02-17-2013
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You Have an Axe to Grind
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Originally Posted by Mansta54
There's a lot more that goes into those 3 pics other then the QB but I'm sure that doesn't fit your weak agenda. Pressure on the QB, reciever running the wrong route or not fighting for the ball, the defense actually making a good play on the ball, just to name a few reasons. Footballs the ultimate team sport, its far from just the QB.
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The defense has really been an issue in these elimination games it starts falling apart near the end of almost every season regardless of the injury situation. The best the Cowboys have looked under Romo was the last 4 games of the 09 season including the playoff game vs Philly and it was due to the defense. Spencer came on big at the end of that season out performing Ware. The Cowboys finished up the regular season that year with back to back shutouts.
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02-17-2013
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Lonely Stranger
Years Donated 2007, 2009, 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KJJ
The defense has really been an issue in these elimination games it starts falling apart near the end of almost every season regardless of the injury situation. The best the Cowboys have looked under Romo was the last 4 games of the 09 season including the playoff game vs Philly and it was due to the defense. Spencer came on big at the end of that season and out performed Ware. The Cowboys finished up the regular season that year with back to back shutouts.
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Are you sure? Which teams were they? Refresh my memory.
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Predicting the future can be very hard, mostly because it hasn’t happened yet."
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02-17-2013
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You Have an Axe to Grind
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Originally Posted by 5Stars
Are you sure? Which teams were they? Refresh my memory.
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The Cowboys shutout Washington 17-0 and Philly 24-0 to finish up the 09 regular season.
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02-17-2013
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You Have an Axe to Grind
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 5Stars
Which teams were they? Refresh my memory.
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Save these links it doesn't take any special skill to look things up. You'll find you'll get answers to questions a lot quicker by saving a few sites and using google.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com
http://www.nfl.com
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02-17-2013
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#24
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Senior Member
Joined: | Jun 2004 |
Location: | New York, NY |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by junk
Surround him with more talent so the team isn't so reliant on him.
Actually develop a functional running game that can take over parts of the game.
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Yep ... that about sums it up.
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02-17-2013
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#25
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Federal Agent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by theogt
Yeah, when the rest of the team sucks, the QB tends to try and win games on his own. The solution isn't to change what Tony does.
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02-17-2013
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Lonely Stranger
Years Donated 2007, 2009, 2012
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Originally Posted by KJJ
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Thanks, dude!
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Predicting the future can be very hard, mostly because it hasn’t happened yet."
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02-17-2013
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#27
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Senior Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Clove
The rest of the team didn't throw 3 picks in the go-ahead winner take all game. Just a quick FYI.
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no, but I think the point is Romo wouldn't feel so much pressure to force throws where a QB shouldn't have to because of the deficiencies in other areas of the team and the game plan.
Romo obviously makes his share of mistakes just like all the QBs out there do. You do have to admit there are a lot of times when he looks like a "chicken with his head cut off" (so to speak) trying to win the game and make something happen midst oline difficulties etc....
If we would finally build a team that doesn't lack in leadership and talent, Romo could very easily win it all. I would bet anything on that. It is just that this team for over 15 years has not had it all together in one way or another - no cohesiveness nor players (notice plural) who could pull this team together and work together to win games with conviction. I do not know how many games I have watched over the last 17 years where this team just looked like it just didn't care or they just felt they would win it without trying. Very Aggravating!
Anyways, we need to fix team deficiencies, and contrary to popular belief there is many deficiencies. This team does not have only but a few stars, I usually challenge fellow Cowboy fans to name more than 5 stars. After that it is a bunch of potential players and mediocrity. Could a coach like Bill Belichek get these players to the big game, possibly yeah, but under the current coaching staff (and I do like the changes we made assuming we also free Garrett of his playcalling duties) I think we definitely upgrade quite a few player / positions.
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02-17-2013
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All Aboard!!!
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he was also part of the reason..
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Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab
Truth.
Tony "doing too much" is also the only reason the offense made all those late comebacks.
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..why they were behind in the first place in most of those games. Until the other teams built up 14 pt leads, the other team didn't relax at all and we couldn't get out of our own way.
Romo had so many 3 and outs in the first parts of most of our games that we handed the lead to the opposition.
It was crazy.
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02-17-2013
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Surrealist
Years Donated 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Redball Express
..why they were behind in the first place in most of those games. Until the other teams built up 14 pt leads, the other team didn't relax at all and we couldn't get out of our own way.
Romo had so many 3 and outs in the first parts of most of our games that we handed the lead to the opposition.
It was crazy.
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And yet we were 6th in the league in 3rd downs converted (5th in the league in conversion percentage). Over 70% of our first downs came from passes, which is the 4th highest in the league. We had the 5th most passing first downs in the entire league.
We have a competitive offense for one reason and one reason alone -- Tony Romo.
PS, don't open your mouth and you won't confirm people's suspicions about you.
Last edited by theogt : 02-17-2013 at 11:40 PM.
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02-17-2013
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#30
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Senior Member
Years Donated 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by theogt
Sure. If you only look at that one game and those three plays, your mind could be made up. I haven't the slightest idea as to why anyone would willingly choose to be ignorant about the other 15 games and the rest of the plays throughout the season. I suppose ignorance isn't a choice for many, though. Genetics, I've found, plays its role.
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Good question.
The answer has to be that people like have already made up their mind.
One bad game equals 8-10 of them in their eyes.
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