Compensatory Picks - Dallas Cowboys Forum

kiheikiwi · 03-12-2013

Sitting here hitting the refresh button every few minutes is depressing. Even knowing that we would not be players in free agency this year - it still sucks to see a lot of teams moving well ahead of us in the "arms race" called free agency.
I don't know alot of how the compensatory picks work - and I know we won't get squat this year, for last years losse's (obviously due to who we picked up in free agency - don't get me started on that ! ) BUT - and here is my question, seeing how we cannot be players this year, and will lose at least 2 first round players in Jones and Jenkins. Maybe Butler and have already lost Phillips. Are we likely to end up with quite a few extra picks next year ?

Please, someone tell me something good !
Waiting for something - anything refreshing/positive ... cause after all the years the Jone's have been involved in free agency, Drafting and mis-manageing the salery cap - I just don't get it.

perrykemp · 03-12-2013

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Originally Posted by kiheikiwi

Please, someone tell me something good !
Waiting for something - anything refreshing/positive

A team doesn't have to participate in Free Agency to be successful. Ted Thompson in Green Bay is infamous for not bothering with free agency until about 2-3 weeks in when, if the Packers do anything at all, it's just bargain hunting.

Packers have done better than OK with that strategy.

The Cowboys, from 2010 on, have improved their drafting and they are building up a nice nucleus of young talent and the team should reap the rewards of that growth this year and in the neat future.

That's my "tell me something good" story and I am sticking to it.

HowAboutThemCowboys · 03-12-2013

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Originally Posted by perrykemp

A team doesn't have to participate in Free Agency to be successful. Ted Thompson in Green Bay is infamous for not bothering with free agency until about 2-3 weeks in when, if the Packers do anything at all, it's just bargain hunting.

Packers have done better than OK with that strategy.

The Cowboys, from 2010 on, have improved their drafting and they are building up a nice nucleus of young talent and the team should reap the rewards of that growth this year and in the neat future.

That's my "tell me something good" story and I am sticking to it.

I agree that teams do not have to be big players in FA, but then they better be above average drafting players. The Cowboys are below average at best drafting players. They will have zero players on this team from a draft 4 short years ago.

kiheikiwi · 03-12-2013

Ha ha, yep - I am encouraged by the drafting lately. After the 2009 disaster, and the F.O. thought pattern behind it, it couldn't get much worse. There is definately reasons to be optimistiic - although I have high hopes for Claibourne, I don't think we could afford to give up the second round pick it cost us. Hopefully they are mindfull of that this year. If we do manage to secure a few extra compensatory picks next year it will help mitigate the shortfalls of the past few years ... time will tell.

Picksix · 03-12-2013

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Originally Posted by kiheikiwi

Sitting here hitting the refresh button every few minutes is depressing. Even knowing that we would not be players in free agency this year - it still sucks to see a lot of teams moving well ahead of us in the "arms race" called free agency.
I don't know alot of how the compensatory picks work - and I know we won't get squat this year, for last years losse's (obviously due to who we picked up in free agency - don't get me started on that ! ) BUT - and here is my question, seeing how we cannot be players this year, and will lose at least 2 first round players in Jones and Jenkins. Maybe Butler and have already lost Phillips. Are we likely to end up with quite a few extra picks next year ?

Please, someone tell me something good !
Waiting for something - anything refreshing/positive ... cause after all the years the Jone's have been involved in free agency, Drafting and mis-manageing the salery cap - I just don't get it.

I think we could get a decent comp pick from Jenkins, for he's the only one I see signing any kind of significant deal with another team. Jones, Phillips, Butler...if you combine their deals, and we don't sign anyone, we might net a low round pick.

Zordon · 03-12-2013

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Originally Posted by perrykemp

A team doesn't have to participate in Free Agency to be successful. Ted Thompson in Green Bay is infamous for not bothering with free agency until about 2-3 weeks in when, if the Packers do anything at all, it's just bargain hunting.

Packers have done better than OK with that strategy.

The Cowboys, from 2010 on, have improved their drafting and they are building up a nice nucleus of young talent and the team should reap the rewards of that growth this year and in the neat future.

That's my "tell me something good" story and I am sticking to it.

Did those teams ever have as many holes as we currently do?

TheRomoSexual · 03-12-2013

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Originally Posted by HowAboutThemCowboys

I agree that teams do not have to be big players in FA, but then they better be above average drafting players. The Cowboys are below average at best drafting players. They will have zero players on this team from a draft 4 short years ago.

And we've landed about a dozen contributors from the last three drafts. It's silly to focus solely on the 2009 draft -- all teams have bad drafts occasionally.

Manwiththeplan · 03-16-2013

We should get quite a few late and mid round picks.

Kevin Ogltree should net us 7th, maybe a 6th.
John Phillips should net us a 6th.

If we're lucky the Jets overpay for Victor Butler, and some other dumb team over pays for Felix and Mike Jenkins.

I can still see us going after Kellen Davis, but based on what I think we'll pay him, he'll just cancel out Otree

Woods · 03-16-2013

We could quite possibly end up with 3-4 comp picks next year.

We should all hope that V Butler, Jenkins and Jones get picked up for as a big a contract as possible.

burmafrd · 03-16-2013

As I recall part of the formula is based on what you lose and gain in FA. If we basically do nothing in gaining anyone in FA and lose those guys we will get some picks.

How high will depend on what our losses are signed for elsewhere. Jenkins is probably the guy who will most likely get the biggest deal being a CB.

But since Spears is already signed that is good for at least one right there if we do not get anyone.

CopenhagenCowboy · 03-16-2013

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Originally Posted by burmafrd

But since Spears is already signed that is good for at least one right there if we do not get anyone.

He was cut.

Woods · 03-16-2013

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Originally Posted by burmafrd

As I recall part of the formula is based on what you lose and gain in FA. If we basically do nothing in gaining anyone in FA and lose those guys we will get some picks.

How high will depend on what our losses are signed for elsewhere. Jenkins is probably the guy who will most likely get the biggest deal being a CB.

But since Spears is already signed that is good for at least one right there if we do not get anyone.

Spears doesn't count since he was cut.

On the other hand, Phillips and Ogletree would count. I doubt we get much for Ogletree because I think his contract was pretty minimal.

Manwiththeplan · 03-16-2013

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Originally Posted by burmafrd

As I recall part of the formula is based on what you lose and gain in FA. If we basically do nothing in gaining anyone in FA and lose those guys we will get some picks.

How high will depend on what our losses are signed for elsewhere. Jenkins is probably the guy who will most likely get the biggest deal being a CB.

But since Spears is already signed that is good for at least one right there if we do not get anyone.

Spears was cut and thus doesn't count. While I don't know the formula like AdamJT13 does, just from listening to him I know

-To qualify, the player has to have been an unrestricted free agent. So if we were to say, sign Elvis Dumervill, he wouldn't count for the broncos or against us.
-Also to count, the player must sign for a certain amount. I believe Ogltree signed for enough (can't find the contract numbers) but it's close. A player signing for vet min, also is extremely unlikely to count against the team signing him and for the team that loses him.
-Finally to count, the player must be signed before a certain date (unsure, maybe june 2). So Felix Jones signing with someone in mid July won't help us, hurt the team that signs him.

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On top of the qualifying rules, the pick awarded is based almost entirely on the size of the contract and to a lesser extent playing time/post season honors (may be more factors)

I don't think it takes much to qualify, but I'm pretty sure Otree is worth a 7th or so. Phillips' deal is worth a bit more and is likely a 6th (no where near a 5th).

Butler, Felix and Jenkins should all be worth 5th rounders (for comparison, the deal Bowen signed a few years ago, got us a 4th), unless someone really over values Jenkins.

Manwiththeplan · 03-16-2013

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Originally Posted by Woods

Spears doesn't count since he was cut.

On the other hand, Phillips and Ogletree would count. I doubt we get much for Ogletree because I think his contract was pretty minimal.

Him counting is pretty important in itself. That way if we were to sign a low tier free agent, the cancel out, instead of say Davis and Phillips, who I'm confident in, is worth a 6th.

Woods · 03-16-2013

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Originally Posted by Manwiththeplan

Him counting is pretty important in itself. That way if we were to sign a low tier free agent, the cancel out, instead of say Davis and Phillips, who I'm confident in, is worth a 6th.

Yes, that's true. Ogletree could help us net out a low tier signing of our own.