Observations from 2003 games

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by Ken

True, he is not a scrambler, but his pocket presense is great. I believe it to be among the best in the league.

I also do think that his scrambling will improve this year.

I don't think it has too really. The thing he has to improve upon is the accuracy. That's what will drive everything else. His completion percentage will improve, his INT's will drop, we'll score more points. Just a whole bundle of good things will happen if he can improve his accuracy some.

[SALADIN]

Originally Posted by Cbz40

How true Mr Saladin.......Let's hope Mr Bryant finds his focus button this season.

SALADIN ole buddy good morning to you.......I trust you are having a great summer.

I've said it before but I think it bears mentioning again. In the NFL there is a huge difference from being a football player than a Professional Football Player. Success needs preparation, and commitment. If AB can find the rite path then I think we'll have a player the likes of witch we haven't had since...shall I dare say James McKnight

Who can complain once training camp has arrived? All though I am a little confused as to what to make of the Sox's trading Estaban Loiaza for Jose Contreras.

Been sitting here waiting vigilantly for any and all information fans feed us from TC. May not be able to drive down there this year but there's no way I'm missing next years camp.

[Jarv]

Maybe AB was having problems catching with his hands last year stems from the broken finger. Not making excuses for him though. He has got to prove himself to us this year.

[LaTunaNostra]

Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

The thing about AB that I find bothersome that coming out of college he was, by many draft-niks perceptions, the best route runner of any wide-out available in that draft. His seemingly lack of ability to run a strong route quite frankly stuns me.

Galloway on the hand--we always knew that bastid couldn't run a route to save his life. I give Quincy some props for having to work with that knucklehead.

Mike, he ran very good routes overall last year. There were a few times he didn't reach full pattern before coming back, or didn't come back enough. I saw a few flubs.

But he ran an awful lot of new routes last year. Curls and much shorter slants. Some shorter posts. He was not exactly the crossing pattern specialist in NE. Last year, Terry was the one most always in motion. He played the most versatile game of all our receivers and even at age 29, there was still a learning curve on those new assignments. The slot was never his thing, tho even after last year's evidence, some folks want to put him there. I was happy to hear Key say he (KJ)is going to get a lot of slot work this year.

TH's forte was always Zs and goes in NE. He did much much more than that last year, and the transition really began in Green Bay.

His skills set is much more diversified now, and that can only help us, but what we did last year was take a Marvin Harrison style receiver and turn him into a hybrid Oronde Gadsden, sans the size.We wasted his real talents because we had no possession receiver, and we could not afford to duplicate Joey's game with Terry's.
Joey is gone because he got to play his game, and still sucked at it, while Terry had to play Keyshawns' and sucked at it almost as bad.

Considering the task, my boy did purty well, I think. I really had my doubts he could stand up to it so well. The truth is, he is a LOT tougher than some folks think.

I'm done whining about the lack of love.

But you will see. You will ALL see. LOL

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by LaTunaNostra

Mike, he ran very good routes overall last year. There were a few times he didn't reach full pattern before coming back, or didn't come back enough. I saw a few flubs.

But he ran an awful lot of new routes last year. Curls and much shorter slants. Some shorter posts. He was not exactly the crossing pattern specialist in NE. Last year, Terry was the one most always in motion. He played the most versatile game of all our receivers and even at age 29, there was still a learning curve on those new assignments. The slot was never his thing, tho even after last year's evidence, some folks want to put him there. I was happy to hear Key say he (KJ)is going to get a lot of slot work this year.

TH's forte was always Zs and goes in NE. He did much much more than that last year, and the transition really began in Green Bay.

[View Full Quote]His skills set is much more diversified now, and that can only help us, but what we did last year was take a Marvin Harrison style receiver and turn him into a hybrid Oronde Gadsden, sans the size.We wasted his real talents because we had no possession receiver, and we could not afford to duplicate Joey's game with Terry's.
Joey is gone because he got to play his game, and still sucked at it, while Terry had to play Keyshawns' and sucked at it almost as bad.

Considering the task, my boy did purty well, I think. I really had my doubts he could stand up to it so well. The truth is, he is a LOT tougher than some folks think.

I'm done whining about the lack of love.

But you will see. You will ALL see. LOL

You won't hear me knock TG. I agree with you 100%. We were trying to drive nails with a pipe-wrench. Our WR corps was not the right mix of talents given the assignments given. I'm not blaming anyone about that... it was just the way the cards were dealt last year. I have high hopes for our current crew. I'm just scared to death about the lack of depth.

[LaTunaNostra]

Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

You won't hear me knock TG. I agree with you 100%. We were trying to drive nails with a pipe-wrench. Our WR corps was not the right mix of talents given the assignments given. I'm not blaming anyone about that... it was just the way the cards were dealt last year. I have high hopes for our current crew. I'm just scared to death about the lack of depth.

Mikey, sorry, I was so busy defending Terry I didn't even see you were talking about AB. LMAO! That knee jerk reaction happens around here, doesn't it.
Please somebody stop me before I get to Quincy lengths.

I'm worried about depth too, even more so since I am familiar with Mr Ward.

One of these kids has to step up. Randal was just renewed for two years..hopefully it was not just for ST. Lets see how this kid responds to the kind of hell Haley reportedly was giving him in practice yesterday. Maybe it's good for him.

[dbair1967]

Originally Posted by LaTunaNostra

I am using Bill's much quoted statment on QB development. Which is that you never know what you have in a QB until he has had a game where he throws mutiple picks and loses the game for his team. Tuna maintains ALL QBs go thru this, all should and all must come back from it in order to have a career, but that he doesn't know what his QB is made of until he sees the guy rebound from such a disaster.

Carter had multiple pick games last year, notably Miami. But none of the games were lost solely on his performance. I guess his 02 Arizona game is an example of that kind of abysmal game, tho I did not see it.

Here, however, is how Tuna differs from Coslet/Campo. Tuna doesn't bench a QB after a poor outing, even a poor outing in which his errors sealed his team's fate. Tuna wants to see how the young QB comes back from such a disaser, and he want to see it the very next week.

[View Full Quote]He has said this many many times. He realizes the game from hell is not just part of the dvelopmental porcess, but a crucial aspect of it in leadership and psychcological strength. A player very dear to him, Ray Lucas, was unable to come back emotionally from such an abysmal outing in 2002, and that I believe to be the sole reason Ray, a lifelong Boys fan and Tuna 's ultimate favorite son, is not wearing his beloved star today.

This Parcells teaching method applies to all positions, btw. Witness Bill's disdainful response tp those who sought to see Billy Cundiff benched or even replaced after the season opener last year. Tuna pooh poohed the idea. Billy rewarded him with that fine game in NY the following week.

Imo, it isn't the one real nasty game will lose Carter his job this year. I've yet to see Bill bench a QB after an atrocious outing. It will be Rick Mirer style inadequacy over a course of three or so weeks. Failure to sustain drives, failure to get it in the ends zone. Losing two consecutive games by 10-6 type stuff. Bill overlooked tghe two shut outs last year, which were not consecutive, but still troubling. He certainly won't do so this year.

PS. Go back and watch the NE game. Shut out or no, Carter was not abysmal in that one.

I guess we'd have to agree to disagree...hopefully he'll be better this yr if his is the starter, but I'd say the Atlanta, Tampa, New England and New Orleans games were lost mostly on the account of poor QB play...the defense and special teams did their jobs in those games, save a couple of drives vs Atlanta

David

[dbair1967]

Originally Posted by Jarv

Maybe AB was having problems catching with his hands last year stems from the broken finger. Not making excuses for him though. He has got to prove himself to us this year.

broken finger and bad eye sight...he admitted he didnt wear contacts last yr and wont wear glasses, this offseason he had LASIK and says he is seeing the ball much better

watch him in college and some of the catches he has made with us, he does have good hands

David