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Old 06-26-2006   #16
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Doesnt the O-line reset eventually use more energy therefore making players tired? bending down then up etc...
It didn't back in those days.

This is a team who is battling several major injuries to
key players including Pro Bowl talents like Lee, Austin, Jenkins, Murray,
Carter and Ratliff. Other key starters missing include Costa, Smith, Church and
Coleman. That is 11 key players - that's half the starting lineup. Yet we still went 8-8.
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Old 06-27-2006   #17
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It didn't back in those days.
So you're saying there was no gravity back then? And all this time I thought the first Superman movie used special effects.
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Old 06-27-2006   #18
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The constant up and down resets would have killed Larry Allen by the 2nd quarter.
Your probobly right but it does look pretty cool and intimidating.
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Old 06-27-2006   #19
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The average OL probably weighed in closer to 250 in those days. I imagine that syncronized movement is much harder for a 330# OLman today.

It was cool, though. We used to mimic it in schoolyard games.
"The ball ain't heavy."

-Herschel Walker, when asked if he got tired carrying the ball 30 times per game.
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Old 06-27-2006   #20
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Default Landry Line reset

Awe yesss

Brings back sweet memories...Dave Manders, John Niland, Ralph Neeley, Blaine Nye, Tony Liscio, Rayfield Wright...PRICELESS!
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Old 06-27-2006   #21
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Add me as one that misses it. Heck, I have coached several Pop Warner teams and we always did it too. People used to comment all the time...haven't seen that since theCowboys used to do it.

It just kind of looks good. Doesn't really serve a purpose in our offense, other than intimidating some of the kids on the DL. They didn't know what was happening.
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The average OL probably weighed in closer to 250 in those days. I imagine that syncronized movement is much harder for a 330# OLman today.
Neely, Wright, Donovan, Cooper, etc., looked like basketball players compared to today's linemen. Jim Myers and Landry prefered the athletic guys on the line, but that changed when Jim Erkenbeck was brought on board as the new line coach. They drafted Crawford Ker and Jeff Zimmerman and snagged Nate Newton ... all well over 300 pounds. The plan was to run Herschel behind a wall of flab, but it never worked out.

The line re-set looked good in the early years ... all of the guys moving in unison, but looked more like a broken accordian toward the end

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The line re-set looked good in the early years ... all of the guys moving in unison, but looked more like a broken accordian toward the end


How right you are Chief.
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I think it's a shift in the game today. There was a time when offenses dictated the tone of a play to the Defense. Basically the offense called a play at the line and then did it's best to disquise that play before running it. However more and more today, the defense dictates the play. It's too difficult to run into 8 or 9 men in the box, or throw into a cover 3. Because defensive players are more physically capable, the D does not give away it's scheme by it's composition (4LBs and 4DB vs 3LBs and 5DBs for instance). Instead the QB must read the defense before snap and try to look for trends and then make the correct adjustment. The best example of this is watching Peyton at the line.

So when Bledsoe gets up to the line he's watching for where the LBs are lining up. What about the Safeties? Are they showing blitz or is there an extra defender slipping back into a zone? Are the CBs playing bump coverage or backed off in Man? So too are the Tailbacks watching for certain players. Do they need to account for a Safety up on the line of Scrimage? Is the CB cheating over? Did the D shift and overload one side of the line?

My guess is we dropped the reset because we wanted to give our Offense as much time as possible to read the D and make adjustments.
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I think it's a shift in the game today.
Also with the near constant substitutions O's already are giving something away about the play they will run. Teams used to spend far more time with the same 11 guys on the field. Now, you sub guys for certain packages so the D already has some idea what they are going to be looking at -- they don't need to figure it out by seeing your alignment.

To have the same effect as before you'd have to drop a blanket over the defensive team.
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The constant up and down resets would have killed Larry Allen by the 2nd quarter.
Nate Newton too!!
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The play clock has killed a lot of good stuff
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it might be hard to run a play on a quick snap or first sound, since they come up on a 2 point stance. also, by doing that, it takes away from the O-lines reads when the center makes his calls.
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So you're saying there was no gravity back then? And all this time I thought the first Superman movie used special effects.
No, he's saying O-Line players were lighter, in better shape, and would have never complained about it back then anyway.
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