Costa to IR; OT Darrion Weems signed

[IrishAnto]

Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

This is where we agree. I have no idea why the Cowboys seem to be vexed at picking lineman....had even one of there most recent picks panned out beyond Smith (and even he has been mediocre this year) this would be an entirely different oline.

I like the idea of drafting Barrett Jones, he is smart, tough, and most importantly extremely versatile. If they can land him and at least ONE pass rusher (Dline or OLB) in the first two rounds I would be pleased.

No quibble from me and I would give Jones’s teammate Chance Warmack serious consideration as well.

[burmafrd]

Jones I am not sure of. I want a guy that will DOMINATE a position. I do not see him doing that. Warmack seems more likely to do that.

[Oh_Canada]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

Jones I am not sure of. I want a guy that will DOMINATE a position. I do not see him doing that. Warmack seems more likely to do that.

You mean like Decastro was going to dominate this year??? Sure didn't look like it before he got hurt.

[Oh_Canada]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

wow you are really desperate to not pick any O linemen high in the draft

I am thinking you are really a closet Giants fan

Never.....but no one is a sure thing.

[IrishAnto]

Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

You mean like Decastro was going to dominate this year??? Sure didn't look like it before he got hurt.

Yea he’s a scrub because he didn’t do well in the preseason of this rookie year and then got hurt.

And of course what applies to DeCastro applies to all other Guards as well.

Tell me just how well Ken Norton Jr. did in his first year??

[CowboyMcCoy]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Man, I want to see Kowalski in at center. He makes this line better from the first snap.

Am I the only guy who wants to see Arkin there?

[IrishAnto]

Originally Posted by CowboyMcCoy

Am I the only guy who wants to see Arkin there?

I’d love to see Arkin out there, but the prognosis doesn’t look good does it?

I mean he took quite a number of snaps at C during training camp yet we still put Bernadeau at C when Cook and Costa couldn’t go.

It seems that they’ll try anybody but Arkin on the field so who knows.

[Prossman]

Weems is a guy you will have to develop for a few years. He has to get stronger everywhere.Has the intangibles, but is not going to be ready for awhile.

[burmafrd]

Arkin came from a college team that did not have ANY W/T program at all. Barely had a gym and machines. So it was known he would have to be pretty much redone from a WT point of view. Which was why last year no one thought he would do anything. After a full year they did see progress but not enough to put him in regular season games this year.

I really wished they would have used the same standards for Costa LAST YEAR. Whoever thought he could start should have been run right out of Valley Ranch.

[Oh_Canada]

Originally Posted by IrishAnto

Yea he’s a scrub because he didn’t do well in the preseason of this rookie year and then got hurt.

And of course what applies to DeCastro applies to all other Guards as well.

Tell me just how well Ken Norton Jr. did in his first year??

Just pointing out he wouldn't have been that great a help this year.

Btw-how quickly you make a 90's Cowboys reference to defend your point but disregard that very team's oline which goes completely against your "draft a bunch of olineman early" premise. You do realize Mark Tuinei was undrafted, Newton was cut originally in the NFL, went to the USFL before signing as an FA, Step was a second rounder, Gogan was a FA and Erick Williams was a third rd pick. Maybe the most dominant oline in the history of football over a five year period was made up of three free agents and a couple of reasonably high picks. There is more than one way to build an oline is all I am saying.

[TheCount]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

Arkin came from a college team that did not have ANY W/T program at all. Barely had a gym and machines. So it was known he would have to be pretty much redone from a WT point of view. Which was why last year no one thought he would do anything. After a full year they did see progress but not enough to put him in regular season games this year.

I really wished they would have used the same standards for Costa LAST YEAR. Whoever thought he could start should have been run right out of Valley Ranch.

That's hyperbole. They may not have a D1 level weight room, but it's a weight room.



If he was self motivated, he could have done himself a lot of good, I just don't think he was. He faced poor competition both on the field and in practice and probably was one of the stronger guys on the team, so why push it?

Clay Harbor came out of the same program and he was well ahead of Arkin physically.

[IrishAnto]

Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

Just pointing out he wouldn't have been that great a help this year.

Btw-how quickly you make a 90's Cowboys reference to defend your point but disregard that very team's oline which goes completely against your "draft a bunch of olineman early" premise. You do realize Mark Tuinei was undrafted, Newton was cut originally in the NFL, went to the USFL before signing as an FA, Step was a second rounder, Gogan was a FA and Erick Williams was a third rd pick. Maybe the most dominant oline in the history of football over a five year period was made up of three free agents and a couple of reasonably high picks. There is more than one way to build an oline is all I am saying.

Does everything have to be spelled out for you???

The reference to Ken Norton Jr. was to point out that some players that start out slowly turn out to be very good in the end.

I could just have easily pointed out Randy White but obviously you’re scratching around for any thin argument to justify your position against drafting OL in the first round.

So exactly what does the Cowboys line of the early 90’s have to do with how good DeCastro could be with today’s team?