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ThatsmyQB · 02-26-2008

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Originally Posted by TheCount

If people were saying Talib should play FS because they thought he was going to run a 4.5, then Flowers should most definitely be a safety.

People play faster in PADS and some slower, who knows, Talib could run 4.5 in full pads and 4.5 without pads while a guy like Justin King might run a 4.31 without pads and a 4.44 with pads, which again is why I have no idea why they don't make players run the 40 in FULL PADS uniform and all to know their TRUE FOOTBALL SPEED!

TheCount · 02-26-2008

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Originally Posted by ThatsmyQB

People play faster in PADS and some slower, who knows, Talib could run 4.5 in full pads and 4.5 without pads while a guy like Justin King might run a 4.31 without pads and a 4.44 with pads, which again is why I have no idea why they don't make players run the 40 in FULL PADS uniform and all to know their TRUE FOOTBALL SPEED!

So Talib gets knocked for running faster than he seemed, but Flowers gets congratulated because he seems faster than he ran... interesting.

Bob Sacamano · 02-26-2008

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Originally Posted by theogt

I think that's probably going to be the most common list you'll see.

this is what's good about this draft for CBs, there really isn't that much seperation between the top 5 CBs, and not that much seperation between them and the 5 guys after, so we're still golden even if the top 2/3 corners are already off the board

but it sucks if you're a team picking in the top 10, and you're looking for a shut-down corner, I don't see that blue-chipper in this draft

ThatsmyQB · 02-26-2008

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Originally Posted by TheCount

So Talib gets knocked for running faster than he seemed, but Flowers gets congratulated because he seems faster than he ran... interesting.

Um, that's not even remotely close to what I said!

stasheroo · 02-26-2008

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Originally Posted by parcells316

I'm a PSU fan. King's a real enigma. That forty time is real impressive, and he's real smooth. A terrific athlete. He certainly looks like a top flight corner, but doesn't play like it.

He got eaten up by James Hardy this year, and Robiskie from OSU. I don't know what to make of him. Poor instincts or bad coaching?

Any idea of where King is projected to be drafted?

With his measurables and the fact that he wouldn't have to start right away, I was thinking he might be a decent mid-round pick.....

jterrell · 02-26-2008

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Originally Posted by stasheroo

Any idea of where King is projected to be drafted?

With his measurables and the fact that he wouldn't have to start right away, I was thinking he might be a decent mid-round pick.....

King is just raw as rain. He has no technique whatsoever.
How coachable he appears may be the key to his draft status.

I'd say he is 3rd round guy.

TheCount · 02-26-2008

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Originally Posted by ThatsmyQB

Um, that's not even remotely close to what I said!

I wasn't referring to what you said other than your saying he plays faster in pads.

Other people are choosing to ignore the fact that Talib is faster than they believed after they spent the last month saying he would have to be a safety because he's too slow, that was who I was referring to.

lkelly · 02-26-2008

There are lots of rumors that King played hurt this year. Earlier in his career he was shutting down guys like Ted Ginn and Robert Meachem. He definitely doesn't have straight man technique down as that's not what PSU plays. His speed with or without pads is fine. Witness him running down Mendenhall from Illinois on a long run where King started a good 8 yards behind him.

jterrell · 02-26-2008

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Originally Posted by lkelly

There are lots of rumors that King played hurt this year. Earlier in his career he was shutting down guys like Ted Ginn and Robert Meachem. He definitely doesn't have straight man technique down as that's not what PSU plays. His speed with or without pads is fine. Witness him running down Mendenhall from Illinois on a long run where King started a good 8 yards behind him.

From what I recall he was like the top overall prospect in the country out of high school but I believe that was as a back who ran for 2K yards. I am not sure how much work he or PSU did on getting him settled a pure cover guy. As you mention doesn't seem like that was their style on D.

He is an intriguing prospect though and there are a lot of guys who were high prospects out of high school that ended up better as pros than they were as college players. I would ideally offer up lots of examples here but alas I am old and forgetful, lol.

Displaced Cowboy · 02-26-2008

Something to consider re: King

He came in and played as a true freshman and was playing both ways. At practice he was mostly on offense, and once Derrick Williams broke his arm King went exclusively on offense.

So as a junior you're dealing with someone who has been a pure CB for only 2 seasons.

And here is video of the Mendenhall play:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lXfVy2nZUU0

ajk23az · 02-26-2008

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Originally Posted by 5mics

Dunta Robinson tore his knee up REAL bad. May end up moving to FS cuz it was that bad. They're looking for a top flight CB and w/ DRC's numbers, they'll be very interested at #18. They really need an OLT BUT it doesn't sound like they'll go that way. But like I said, I prefer McKelvin anyways (Porter is my second choice).....

They need a RB REAL bad too thought. Will be interesting. Mendenhall should be available to them at that spot.