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Old 04-17-2009   #1
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Default Goose's second mock. He slots Chung at 51

I read Goose saying his first mock is about pure talent. His second mock adds in need. His last mock (day before/morning of the draft) factors in everything, his last-minute talks with teams and all rumors.

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The Detroit Lions have the worst defense in the NFL – one of the worst defenses ever, in fact.

The Lions gave up 517 points last season, second most in NFL history. Only the 1981 Baltimore Colts allowed more (533). Detroit has given up more points than it has scored in each of its last 17 games.

They say defense wins championships. It also wins games. When the Lions start playing competitively on defense, they can start winning games again.
Hiring Jim Schwartz as their new head coach in 2009 was a start. He coordinated defenses at Tennessee the last two seasons that ranked in the NFL's top seven. But the Lions need more than a new scheme. They need new players.

The Lions ranked last in the NFL in both defense and run defense in 2009. Linebacker Aaron Curry of Wake Forest is the best defensive player on the draft board. He can plug in at middle linebacker for the Lions between Julian Peterson and Ernie Sims.

So give Curry to the Lions in the second mock draft offering from The Dallas Morning News. The first one last Sunday was based on best available player. This one places a greater emphasis on team need. Here's the mock:

1. Detroit Lions:
Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest
The first linebacker selected first overall since 1988

2. St. Louis Rams:
Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
The Rams aren't sold on Marc Bulger

3. Kansas City Chiefs:
Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
Best player available at any position upgrades the Chiefs

4. Seattle Seahawks:
Mark Sanchez, QB, Southern California
Matt Hasselbeck turns 34 in September

5. Cleveland Browns:
Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
The Browns may trade Braylon Edwards before the draft

6. Cincinnati Bengals:
Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
The Bengals need to protect QB Carson Palmer better

7. Oakland Raiders:
Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
Al Davis sees Tim Brown all over again

8. Jacksonville Jaguars:
Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
Forget his weight – Smith is the best blocker in this draft

9. Green Bay Packers:
Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
Both starting cornerbacks are in their 30s

10. San Francisco 49ers:
Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas State
Could be the Ben Roethlisberger of this draft

11. Buffalo Bills:
Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU
NFL's 22nd ranked run defense becomes more stout

12. Denver Broncos:
B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
Broncos need to get bigger, better in defensive front seven

13. Washington Redskins:
Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State
Redskins hope Maybin can give them what Jason Taylor didn't

14. New Orleans Saints:
Beanie Wells, HB, Ohio State
Saints envision Beanie as their new Deuce McAllister

15. Houston Texans:
Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
Texans need help for Mario Williams up front

16. San Diego Chargers:
Knowshown Moreno, HB, Georgia
LaDainian Tomlinson older, Darren Sproles headed toward free agency in 2010

17. New York Jets:
Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
With WR Laveranues Coles gone, Jets need big plays on flank

18. Denver Broncos:
Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee
Broncos need to get bigger, better in defensive front seven

19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers:
Brian Cushing, OLB, Southern California
Both starting outside linebackers gone from 2008

20. Detroit Lions:
Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi
Both starting defensive tackles gone from 2008 gone

21. Philadelphia Eagles:
Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi
Andy Reid loves offensive and defensive linemen

22. Minnesota Vikings:
Darius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
Better receiver play means better quarterback play

23. New England Patriots:
Rey Maualuga, MLB, Southern California
Maualuga and Jerod Mayo would forge a dynamic middle

24. Atlanta Falcons:
Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois
The NFL's 21st ranked pass defense needs his cover skills

25. Miami Dolphins:
Clay Matthews, OLB, Southern California
Bill Parcells loves stocking the defensive front seven

26. Baltimore Ravens:
Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State
Ravens always draft the best value on the board

27. Indianapolis Colts:
Ziggy Hood, DT, Missouri
GM Polian is tired of playing with free agents at DT

28. Philadelphia Eagles:
Darius Butler, CB, Connecticut
Eagles need nickel corner to replace Lito Sheppard

29. New York Giants:
Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers
Giants need a size receiver to replace Plaxico Burress

30. Tennessee Titans:
James Laurinaitis, MLB, Ohio State
Quality linebackers will go fast in this draft

31. Arizona Cardinals:
Donald Brown, HB, Connecticut
The heir apparent to Edgerrin James

32. Pittsburgh Steelers:
Eric Wood, C, Louisville
Wood can play inside at center or guard

51. Dallas Cowboys, Patrick Chung, S, Oregon
Wide receiver a need but safety a pressing need
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Chung is a real possibility for us in Round 2.

And we've shown interest in him as well.

Let's see what Goose comes up with in his last mock. But he may end up with the same guy.
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**** Patrick Chung.
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Hard to critique his mocks until he gets to his final "real" one.
I'd be shocked if Stafford goes to the Rams or Josh freeman to SF for example.
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**** Patrick Chung.
Slate, I've got to tell you, I'm warming up to the idea of Chung.

Quite a few rankings have Chung and Delmas rated evenly by the way, including NFLDS and Ourlands.

I think both guys interest the Cowboys and both can be good players.

As for Chung, he can also be a major help in STs coverage and returning punts and kickoffs.

I'm not going to be disappointed in Chung at all in Round 2.
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Chung is a real possibility for us in Round 2.

And we've shown interest in him as well.

Let's see what Goose comes up with in his last mock. But he may end up with the same guy.
when? quando?
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when? quando?
As per Silverbear's sticky,

Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU... 6-4, 295 pounds... 4.95 second 40... likely 1st rounder...

Clint Sintim, OLB, Virginia... 6-3, 255 pounds... 4.75 second 40... early to mid second rounder...

Louis Delmas, S, Western Michigan... 6-0, 200 pounds... 4.5 second 40... mid second rounder...

Patrick Chung, S, Oregon... 5-11, 210 pounds... 4.5 second 40... mid to late second rounder...

Ron Brace, NT, Boston College... 6-3. 330 pounds... 5.45 second 40... mid to late second rounder...

Sean Smith, S/CB, Utah... 6-4, 215 pounds... 4.45 second 40... mid to late second rounder...

William Moore, S, Missouri... 6-0, 220 pounds... 4.5 second 40... mid to late second rounder...
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Donald Brown to the Cardinals is the only pick that was the same in his first mock.

Most of the positions have the same players in the same order. At first glance, the only differences I see are Cushing moving ahead of Matthews at OLB and Brown moving ahead of McCoy at RB.

And this might be meaningless, but here are the 34 players Gosselin has going in the first round in either mock draft, in order of their combined draft position --

1. Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia (3)
2. Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest (4)
3. Jason Smith, OT, Baylor (5)
4. Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech (9)
5. Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri (13)
6t. Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia (14)
6t. Mark Sanchez, QB, Southern California (14)
8. B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College (17)
9. Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU (20)
10. Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas State (22)
11t. Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State (24)
11t. Percy Harvin, WR, Florida (24)
13. Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas (28)
14. Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State (31)
15t. Beanie Wells, HB, Ohio State (33)
15t. Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee (33)
17. Andre Smith, OT, Alabama (34)
18t. Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi (38)
18t. Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois (38)
20t. Darius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland (39)
20t. Rey Maualuga, MLB, Southern California (39)
22t. Brian Cushing, OLB, Southern California (43)
22t. Knowshown Moreno, HB, Georgia (43)
24t. Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State (47)
24t. Ziggy Hood, DT, Missouri (47)
26. Clay Matthews, OLB, Southern California (48)
27. Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi (50)
28. James Laurinaitis, MLB, Ohio State (55)
29. Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers (59)
30. Donald Brown, HB, Connecticut (62)
31t. Darius Butler, CB, Connecticut (x28)
31t. LeSean McCoy, HB, Pittsburgh (x28)
33t. Alex Mack, C, California (x32)
33t. Eric Wood, C, Louisville (x32)

x-Butler, McCoy, Mack and Wood appeared in only one of the two mocks.
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How are we owned?? because Goose's 2nd mock has us taking Chungy? I can promise you that by the time his final mock is done he wont be mentioned..

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Chung would make a lot of sense for us there if Delmas and Robiskie are both gone. I believe that those are the two players we are really targeting with the 51st pick. I imagine that, if we took Chung that we would then try to make a play for Derrick Williams or we would sit tight at the top of the 3rd and hope that Iglesias falls to us. If Chung is also gone in the 2nd then someone like English, Barwin or Sidbury has probably fallen to us and in that case I think we'd take them, Williams or Iglesias and then target Darcell McBath later on.

That's how things seem to be shaping up, in my opinion.
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I'm not sure Chung would be a bad pick.
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Chung would make a lot of sense for us there if Delmas and Robiskie are both gone. I believe that those are the two players we are really targeting with the 51st pick. I imagine that, if we took Chung that we would then try to make a play for Derrick Williams or we would sit tight at the top of the 3rd and hope that Iglesias falls to us. If Chung is also gone in the 2nd then someone like English, Barwin or Sidbury has probably fallen to us and in that case I think we'd take them, Williams or Iglesias and then target Darcell McBath later on.

That's how things seem to be shaping up, in my opinion.
I think if Delmas and Robiskie are gone than we move back and take Rashad Johnson.
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I think if Delmas and Robiskie are gone than we move back and take Rashad Johnson.
I'd bet that we have Johnson and McBath rated pretty similarly and thus I'd be surprised to see us take Johnson in the 2nd, even after trading down.

I thought that Felix Jones would suck though, so take my opinion with a grain of a grain of salt.
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