I don't get it

[blindzebra]

All the focus being given to WR and CB on the forum.

Realistically, just how high on this team's must have list is CB or WR?

At WR we have Johnson, Glenn, Morgan, Crayton and Copper. 2 solid #2 WRs in key in Glenn, a near #2 in Morgan, and two young guys that both showed flashes.

No we don't have a #1, elite WR, but with all the holes we have should this be a focus?

CB play needs to be better, but remember we lost our #2 and #3 corners to injuries last year. Corner is also a high dollar position, so signing a FA or trading for a big name would cost us players at other positions.

If we don't fix the front 7, who we have at CB won't have a major impact.

Fixing DT, DE/OLB, OL, and FS is MUCH more important to turning this team around, than upgrading WR and CB.

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

All the focus being given to WR and CB on the forum.

Realistically, just how high on this team's must have list is CB or WR?

At WR we have Johnson, Glenn, Morgan, Crayton and Copper. 2 solid #2 WRs in key in Glenn, a near #2 in Morgan, and two young guys that both showed flashes.

No we don't have a #1, elite WR, but with all the holes we have should this be a focus?

CB play needs to be better, but remember we lost our #2 and #3 corners to injuries last year. Corner is also a high dollar position, so signing a FA or trading for a big name would cost us players at other positions.

If we don't fix the front 7, who we have at CB won't have a major impact.

Fixing DT, DE/OLB, OL, and FS is MUCH more important to turning this team around, than upgrading WR and CB.

To a certain extent you're right. I'm much more concerned about FS than I am corner and yes our WR are "livable".

What I think has caused all the excitement is the fact that most of the players released so far have been CB's or WR's and that's got everyone thinking those positions.

[DallasEast]

On the offensive side of the ball, we have solid skilled players. They simply don't have the marque billing some may want, but neither does New England.

While some of us may want that big name wide receiver added to the roster, it's important to remember that if we don't firm up the RIGHT side of the offensive line--Bledsoe, Henson, or whoever's behind center won't enjoy the best protection possible. Any wide receiver is only as good as the guy who can deliver the ball to him. It's hard for any quarterback to throw the ball if he's lying on his buttocks.

...and Bledsoe's going to need all the protection we can get him.

[Rack Bauer]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

All the focus being given to WR and CB on the forum.

Realistically, just how high on this team's must have list is CB or WR?

At WR we have Johnson, Glenn, Morgan, Crayton and Copper. 2 solid #2 WRs in key in Glenn, a near #2 in Morgan, and two young guys that both showed flashes.

No we don't have a #1, elite WR, but with all the holes we have should this be a focus?

CB play needs to be better, but remember we lost our #2 and #3 corners to injuries last year. Corner is also a high dollar position, so signing a FA or trading for a big name would cost us players at other positions.

If we don't fix the front 7, who we have at CB won't have a major impact.

Fixing DT, DE/OLB, OL, and FS is MUCH more important to turning this team around, than upgrading WR and CB.

I agree, BZ. We do need a veteran CB and a WR for the future though. Two of our WRs are very old, and the 3rd WR doesn't have good hands (that's a bad knock to have on you as a WR).


I'd have no problem if Hunter were our starting CB next year, but we need a veteran on the team. Maybe even move him to FS and get ourselves a different starting CB. I wouldn't mind seeing Hunter and Davis battle it out for the starting FS spot, but Hunter needs to tackle better to have a shot at it.

[Q_the_man]

Reason why I say WR is a big need is because our WRs disappear to much during games, we need a threat not a band aid and Key and Glenn are good but are band aids.....

? do u think Glenn and Key are capable of combining for 170 catches and 2000 yards 17 tds, I would hope but I would say no, not any more....

What if Glenn has lost a step due to been hurt 10+ games. I would love a big play WR period.....

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Q_the_man

Reason why I say WR is a big need is because our WRs disappear to much during games, we need a threat not a band aid and Key and Glenn are good but are band aids.....

? do u think Glenn and Key are capable of combining for 170 catches and 2000 yards 17 tds, I would hope but I would say no, not any more....

What if Glenn has lost a step due to been hurt 10+ games. I would love a big play WR period.....

We have a homerun threat at RB and a 80 catch 1,000 yard TE.

We DON'T NEED 2,000 yards and 17 TDs out of Key and Glenn.

[jobberone]

Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

To a certain extent you're right. I'm much more concerned about FS than I am corner and yes our WR are "livable".

What I think has caused all the excitement is the fact that most of the players released so far have been CB's or WR's and that's got everyone thinking those positions.

Well, I'm not comfortable because there is no depth. Lose Key or Glenn and you have nothing of substance at present. True one of the other WRs may step up but that's not a guarantee.

So wanting a third proven valuable WR is by no means a problem with me. The ideal situation is Key and Glenn stay healthy and one or two of the other guys step up and we have a very good WR corps. With that scenario you would want to spend picks and money and roster spots elsewhere where the fires are bigger.

But we have no depth at WR and certainly none at all at CB so I see these areas as must needs as well as DE, DT, LB, OT, and FS.

That's a lot of musts.

The I wants are OG although you could put that as a must and I wouldn't argue. Backup RB is a want. DL and OL depth is a want. And defensive depth is a want.

I want a placekicker too.

Also a SB while I'm wishing, wanting and hoping.

[MichaelWinicki]

But everyone forgets we have a TE on the roster that's good for 70 catches and Key is still good for that many.

You add in Terry Glenn, Morgan and the other guys not too mention the number of balls the backs will get and there aren't a lot of catches left.

[Eskimo]

I think the issue is availability. Sometimes you just have to get the best players available even if they don't fill your biggest positions of need.

For CBs, there are several high profile CBs available in FA as well as a very strong and deep draft class. I am categorically against signing a high-priced vet as I think the money could be better spent elsewhere. Grabbing a guy like Carlos Rogers or Antrel Rolle at #20 would provide us with a very good CB who could probably start from day 1 - these two are big and physical and could probably play the role in run defense that parcells covets in corners.

As for WRs, our starters are adequat as is Morgan at the #3 - the problem is the starters are old and inijured and neither are a true #1. There are a few candidates to be potential impact players at WR in this draft - William, Edwards and Williamson. You always have to seriously consider impact players even when they are not at positions of strong need.

As for FS, it is a much bigger need than CB or WR - potential solutions would be a FA (which I favour) or drafting a guy like M Jackson or B Pool in the second if they last that long.

In terms of the front 7, there just is not much talent in FA this year but I think one of P Williams or J Ferguson must be signed in FA. Bell, Hartwell and Trotter should be considered in FA. In the draft, there are quite a few good tweener OLB/DE prospects this year and I would be shocked if we didn't draft one or even two of them with our top 3 picks. In terms of DL, there is not an elite 4-3 DE prospect and there is only one highly rated run-stuffing DT in Hawthorne.

[wileedog]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

We have a homerun threat at RB and a 80 catch 1,000 yard TE.

We DON'T NEED 2,000 yards and 17 TDs out of Key and Glenn.

Ding ding ding!

OTOH, if we don't shore up the defensive front 7, we WILL need those numbers out of them cause we'll be playing a lot of catch up....

[ghst187]

My reasoning behind wanting another WR, esp Mike Williams, is the fact that we're still averaging 17 points or less every season since Aikman left and that is LARGELY due to the fact that we can't score once we move the ball into the redzone. Throw in the fact that Key and Glenn are old and Glenn is oft-injured.
If we add another weapon at WR, esp a deep speedy threat or redzone terror WR, it could help cover some of our defensive problems.
Now, granted that JJ will probably help us in this dept with a full season but we still need someone to stretch the field to keep D's from putting 8 in the box.
I'd also like to see a young WR like MW come in and grow with Henson.

[JackMagist]

My big reason for wanting a WR is twofold. First and formost Glenn had a foot injury and as I have pointed out about Law as well, a foot injury is very hard to come back from at full speed. If I were comfortable that Glenn could come back to form I'd be content to go with what we have for another year. Secondly even if Glenn does come back strong we need a better deep threat to stretch the field; Glenn is Ok but not really the big threat we need. As for name I don't care about a big name just a big time player even if he is obscure. If that can be Cooper or Crayton great but I think they are both a year or two away still.

As for CB it is obvious that we need to upgrade there and this is the year of the CB both in the draft and in FA. I'd be Ok with Hunter except that he has been injured every year he has been in the league. I'm starting to think he is too fragile to make the grade; that sucks because I had very high hopes for him and all that potential.

Of course we have other (maybe more pressing) needs but right now the WR's and CB's seem to be more on the table. We need to be a player in the FA market this year and get about 4 or 5 solid guys; especially in the front seven. And then we need to hit on all three of our top draft picks to turn things around.

[MichaelWinicki]

Our big problem with the red zone is that our running game is so inconsistent, which of course is somewhat due to the o-line. Quality OT or a WR that touches the ball 4 times a game?

[Champsheart]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

All the focus being given to WR and CB on the forum.

Realistically, just how high on this team's must have list is CB or WR?

At WR we have Johnson, Glenn, Morgan, Crayton and Copper. 2 solid #2 WRs in key in Glenn, a near #2 in Morgan, and two young guys that both showed flashes.

No we don't have a #1, elite WR, but with all the holes we have should this be a focus?

CB play needs to be better, but remember we lost our #2 and #3 corners to injuries last year. Corner is also a high dollar position, so signing a FA or trading for a big name would cost us players at other positions.

If we don't fix the front 7, who we have at CB won't have a major impact.

Fixing DT, DE/OLB, OL, and FS is MUCH more important to turning this team around, than upgrading WR and CB.

In a lot of ways I agree.
I think with our our needs WR is down the priority list.
With that being said though if the chance comes about to get Braylon Edwards or Mike Williams, I do not think we should pass, especially Williams. I think both these guys could have a huge impact for several years.

CB is a tricky one because there are so many available, and it is an obvious need. I really do not have many worries here though because even if we do not sign one, there will be a good one available with ourt #20, or second round.
There is no excuse one way or the other not to have a new starting RCB.

I know many people are all over FS, and I would like to upgrade there, but I also think we have more options there than what people think with Hunter, and Keith Davis.
We can only get so many players.

[Cbz40]

Go back the last two years and read the game threads. The most critisized group on the team is the DL.

Why aren't we getting any sacks

S-------we can't even put any pressure onthe QB

Wiley you inhale profusely

We need someone to give Glover some help

on and on and on and on and on....... DL this DL that.

Yes we need a CB, ROL, S, Deep threat WR......I agree, but we had better fix the DL FIRST...................Otherwise it will be the same Old Same OLd.....We'll have to score 37pt a game to have a chance to win.

BZ...I hate to admit it..... but you' correct.re