newman for howard, straight up. - Dallas Cowboys Forum

RoysAHitta · 03-11-2005

would you do a newman for howard trade? the saints are hard up for a good cb, and would probably jump all over newman. plus the draft is thick in good cb's (rolle, rogers, pac man, marlin jackson, corey webster and a few more).. but not pass rushing de's. newman seems easily replaced, some even labeled him a bust considering he was the #5 overall pick a few years ago. but a pass rushing de has been missing for years upon years.

i would do this trade and not think twice. we could easily fill newmans shoes with a 2nd round pick this year and be just fine in my opinion.

just something to think about.

Mike 1967 · 03-11-2005

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Originally Posted by RoysAHitta

would you do a newman for howard trade? the saints are hard up for a good cb, and would probably jump all over newman. plus the draft is thick in good cb's (rolle, rogers, pac man, marlin jackson, corey webster and a few more).. but not pass rushing de's. newman seems easily replaced, some even labeled him a bust considering he was the #5 overall pick a few years ago. but a pass rushing de has been missing for years upon years.

i would do this trade and not think twice. we could easily fill newmans shoes with a 2nd round pick this year and be just fine in my opinion.

just something to think about.

Hmmmmm I might just consider that....especially if Rolle is as good as advertised and is expected to be available.

I would wait until draft day to insure that a suitable replacement fell to us.

k19 · 03-11-2005

too early to tell on Newman. You could be giving up a future all pro and creating a weakspot elsewhere

jksmith269 · 03-11-2005

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Originally Posted by RoysAHitta

would you do a newman for howard trade? the saints are hard up for a good cb, and would probably jump all over newman. plus the draft is thick in good cb's (rolle, rogers, pac man, marlin jackson, corey webster and a few more).. but not pass rushing de's. newman seems easily replaced, some even labeled him a bust considering he was the #5 overall pick a few years ago. but a pass rushing de has been missing for years upon years.

i would do this trade and not think twice. we could easily fill newmans shoes with a 2nd round pick this year and be just fine in my opinion.

just something to think about.

This is the exact post from ESPN msg boards......I would rather keep Newman and trade Glover.....If you look at their D line you would see that they had a combined less than 2 sacks at the DT position along with I think like 80 tackles. I know we got Glover from them maybe its time he went home....
ALso while speculating give em Hunter and we get T jones at FS... I know he only had 1 int but he did have 101 tackles....Hunter at FS may have 4-6 ints and Miss 100 tackles LOL I'd rather have JONES.......

Mr Cowboy · 03-11-2005

I'm not sold on Howard at all. He has had 41 sacks in five years, about 8 per year. Of course he had 11 last year, but that makes it one good year and a buch of average, (Ellis type) years. Not sure I would give up a first rounder for him. Besides, with Zimmy's type defense he would only get 5-7 here in Dallas.

conner01 · 03-11-2005

you trade a nice young,cheap player,for anolder,much,much higher player whio buy judging from what most here think of ellis,is just average.i keep reading how average ellis is and how great howard is.well inthe last 4 yrs ellis has more sacks than howard.besides that you have to be real dumb to trade a player during there original contract.thatys the only time there cheap and who would be our cb?

Mike 1967 · 03-11-2005

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Originally Posted by jksmith269

This is the exact post from ESPN msg boards......I would rather keep Newman and trade Glover.....If you look at their D line you would see that they had a combined less than 2 sacks at the DT position along with I think like 80 tackles. I know we got Glover from them maybe its time he went home....
ALso while speculating give em Hunter and we get T jones at FS... I know he only had 1 int but he did have 101 tackles....Hunter at FS may have 4-6 ints and Miss 100 tackles LOL I'd rather have JONES.......

That would be a very interesting trade. Especially in light of the ongoing 3-4 discussions.

mr.jameswoods · 03-11-2005

No, I would not. I think Newman is underrated player. This guy would have made the Pro Bowl had he played on a team with a semblance of a pass rush. Newman is a stud. He definitely needs to work on his technique but he doesn't get burned. He usually gives up a play because he doesn't use his hands well or doesn't turn around at the right time but he is usually stride for stride with the receiver. Technique is something you can develop. You can't develop speed and size.

AdamJT13 · 03-11-2005

No thanks. I don't see Howard (6-3, 275) fitting well in a 3-4. And even if we stuck with the 4-3 for however many years Howard would be around, it would put us in a big salary cap crunch this season. Newman's cap hit would go up by $5,452,979 if we traded him, and we'd still have to pay Howard big bucks, too.

VThokie7 · 03-11-2005

Why trade a guy who after his rookie season was rated a top 10 cornerback? Giving up on Newman because of a less than stellar sophmore campaign would be REDICULOUS, especially when the Saints have said they would trade Howard for a 2nd round pick. Don't trade a proven commedity to draft a rookie in the 2nd, when you can just keep your cornerback and use the 2nd for Howard if thats who you really want.

Bryan8284 · 03-11-2005

Trading Newman so soon would be stupid. Give him another good CB to work with (Henry) and see if he locks it down. Give him a coverage safety to help out over the top (Woodson now Sharper?) and watch his aggressive jump up. Plus, trading him would probably be an enormous cap hit.

RoysAHitta · 03-11-2005

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Originally Posted by jksmith269

This is the exact post from ESPN msg boards......I would rather keep Newman and trade Glover.....If you look at their D line you would see that they had a combined less than 2 sacks at the DT position along with I think like 80 tackles. I know we got Glover from them maybe its time he went home....
ALso while speculating give em Hunter and we get T jones at FS... I know he only had 1 int but he did have 101 tackles....Hunter at FS may have 4-6 ints and Miss 100 tackles LOL I'd rather have JONES.......

i too like that trade a lot.

mr.jameswoods · 03-11-2005

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Originally Posted by conner01

you trade a nice young,cheap player,for anolder,much,much higher player whio buy judging from what most here think of ellis,is just average.i keep reading how average ellis is and how great howard is.well inthe last 4 yrs ellis has more sacks than howard.besides that you have to be real dumb to trade a player during there original contract.thatys the only time there cheap and who would be our cb?

Howard also had two seasons of 11 sacks a piece. Ellis has not achieved double digit sacks once in his career. That is like a RB never breaking a 1000 yards. So Howard has proven he can be a force when he is healthywhich Ellis has yet to do. What is more disturbing about Ellis is how his production wanes as the season progresses. I believed Ellis had 6 sacks just prior to midseason and finished with 9 the rest of the year. And Howard didn't have the luxury of playing a DT like Glover last year either.

But no, I would not trade Newman for Howard but I think you are overstating Ellis' value. He is a solid contributor but he doesn't pose a threat that Howard could potentially provide.

RoysAHitta · 03-11-2005

im just saying, newman hasn't lived up to being the #5 pick overall. we can agree to disagree on that if you all wish, but thats my opinion. newman going into his third year is almost howards age anyways lol. i just think theres a lot of depth at cb in this draft, why not take advantage? you know a good solid cover cb will fall to us in round 2, and face it.. it wouldnt be hard to outshine newman that way hes been playing.

my gut feeling was that saints would be getting robbed in this trade. newman simply hasn't proven enough to warrant a straight up trade for a consistent pass rushing de.

mr.jameswoods · 03-11-2005

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Originally Posted by RoysAHitta

im just saying, newman hasn't lived up to being the #5 pick overall. we can agree to disagree on that if you all wish, but thats my opinion. newman going into his third year is almost howards age anyways lol. i just think theres a lot of depth at cb in this draft, why not take advantage? you know a good solid cover cb will fall to us in round 2, and face it.. it wouldnt be hard to outshine newman that way hes been playing.

my gut feeling was that saints would be getting robbed in this trade. newman simply hasn't proven enough to warrant a straight up trade for a consistent pass rushing de.

I'm no homer...yes, he hasn't lived up to the #5 pick but I think he has lived up to being a first round pick overall. Greg Ellis has hardly lived up to his draft position but he is still a solid player.

I know how you feel because at times Newman disappoints me and I wonder why we chose him that high. But you have to reminds yourself how terrible our defense would be without him. Imagine last year without Newman back there. Roy Williams is not great in coverage. Our other safey and cornerback shouldn't even play in the NFL and our pass rush was weak. Considering all of that, I think Newman has done a good job and I would be scared to have no defensive presence in the backfield with Newman gone even if our pas rush was to improve.