Howards End???? - Dallas Cowboys Forum

dargonking999 · 03-25-2005

The Oakland Raiders have apparently entered the Darren Howard sweepstakes, offering New Orleans either CB Charles Woodson or CB Philip Buchanon for him.

This seems unrealistic for both teams. Oakland is clearly looking for a salary dump, especially if they can get out from under Woodson’s $10 million cap hit. New Orleans, on the other hand is also looking to get out from under Howard’s deal so it can re-sign its own players. What the Saints want is draft picks. And the Raiders are short, already having shipped the 7th overall pick to Minnesota for Randy Moss. It doesn’t seem likely that Oakland would send its number two to the Saints.

The Howard scenario is being set in concrete, at least from Dallas’ perspective. It will happen after the draft, it appears, or it won’t happen at all. (You know this is more likely because New Orleans’ latest posture is saying they will trade Howard before the draft or they will keep him, which, as we have discussed in earlier posts, is a dumb long-term move for the team.)

With a Howard deal seeming more remote, to whom do you look for a rush, and with which pick? Shawne Merriman? Derrick Johnson? Dan Cody? Erasmus James? Demarcus Ware? David Pollack? Matt Roth? Someone else? (Show your work, it will be graded.)

Update: Saints higher-ups seem awfully eager to discuss a possible Howard deal with the Dallas press. Yesterday, GM Mickey Loomis told the Star-Telegram that Jerry was giving him the cold shoulder. Today, coach Jim Haslett tells the Star-Telegram that Dallas and the Saints have never had a serious discussion about compensation for Howard. He also repeated Loomis’ threat that Howard would not be traded after the draft.

Two teams are playing poker. Jerry Jones is not saying a word. The other team is lobbying hard to the Cowboys fan base.

Who’s got the better hand here?

conner01 · 03-25-2005

jerry is playing them for all there worth and will get the deal done if the price is right.smart move not getting too excited,let the market work itself out.who knows by draft day we may get him for a future 3rd rnd pick

LA=Pancakemaker · 03-25-2005

Re-thread!!!

Natedawg44 · 03-25-2005

Jerry just waiting for the flop (Shawne Merriman at 11) the turn (David Pollack at 20) and the River ( Justin Tuck at 42) before he deals with the Aints

Charles · 03-25-2005

Jerry has the best hand at the table.......he's got Parcells. Parcells won't blink. Jerry won't make any moves without Parcells blessing.

If Parcells wasn't involved, this deal would have been done. Parcells got 2 1st Rd. picks for Keyshawn (I think that was the compensation) from Tampa Bay. He's been through these kind of deals and he always seems to come out on the winning side. Rarely does Parcells ever give up too much or take too little in trades.

Nors · 03-25-2005

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Originally Posted by Charles

Jerry has the best hand at the table.......he's got Parcells. Parcells won't blink. Jerry won't make any moves without Parcells blessing.

If Parcells wasn't involved, this deal would have been done. Parcells got 2 1st Rd. picks for Keyshawn (I think that was the compensation) from Tampa Bay. He's been through these kind of deals and he always seems to come out on the winning side. Rarely does Parcells ever give up too much or take too little in trades.

Without Parcells JJ would have made this trade - I 100% AGREE!

BigSaint8050 · 03-25-2005

Trust me the Saints front office won't blink either. They have 5 teams other than the Cowboys and the Raiders that are or have had serious contact about Howard. Howard's market is there, and they will get what they feel is market value.

dargonking999 · 03-25-2005

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Originally Posted by BigSaint8050

Trust me the Saints front office won't blink either. They have 5 teams other than the Cowboys and the Raiders that are or have had serious contact about Howard. Howard's market is there, and they will get what they feel is market value.

no they have 5 other teams, that want howard, but not for the price their asking for or this would have been done a long time ago

DWAREZ · 03-25-2005

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Originally Posted by BigSaint8050

Trust me the Saints front office won't blink either. They have 5 teams other than the Cowboys and the Raiders that are or have had serious contact about Howard. Howard's market is there, and they will get what they feel is market value.

No they do not...Vikings are done in FA...Sorry...Skins are after Brown...Raiders have nothing they want and are in cap strap...Seattle signed a DE, so you are full of BS

**big dog cowboy** · 03-25-2005

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Originally Posted by dargonking999

Howards End????

I thought this thread was going i a different direction.

Nors · 03-25-2005

deal not happening also because Howard is asking for a crazy $ deal.

hank2k · 03-25-2005

So if we end up giving up more than a #2 , does it mean we blinked????

Nors · 03-25-2005

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Originally Posted by hank2k

So if we end up giving up more than a #2 , does it mean we blinked????

Sure does - If we give up a #1 for Howard at his demands of a $16M SB and a $35M Deal. We are loco.

TheSkaven · 03-25-2005

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Originally Posted by Nors

Sure does - If we give up a #1 for Howard at his demands of a $16M SB and a $35M Deal. We are loco.

No worries, that's not going to happen, at least not the #1. I can see Dallas giving up a 2nd round pick, or moving down with one of their #1's.

But on the money side, a Darren Howard, with his resume, is going to demand a lot of money. There just happens to be a shortage of playmaking defensive ends in this league, so it's supply and demand.

btcutter · 03-25-2005

Anyone ever thought if we didn't trade for Howard this yr and he posts a 15 sack yr like Berry in AZ...what would be the reaction on this board? "That stupid...!*%$* JJ and Parcelll, could have had him for Dat and 2nd. Instead, we picked _____(fill in the player's name) in the 2nd and he's done Jack Squat and look completely lost."

It'll be funny. It's nice to Monday morning quarterback.