It Was 9 Years Ago Today

[Dave_in-NC]

Originally Posted by SDogo

Thank goodness we avoided that!

Imagine what would of happened to this team if we had two complete drafts (16 picks) where only 7 of the players were still on the active roster just 6 and 7 years later!

Considering that's the last time Jerry did not mettle in the process.........oops

Seriously people, look at Parcells draft record here..........I mean seriously

2003:
1 Terence Newman
2 Al Johnson
3 Jason Witten
4 Bradie James
6 B. J. Tucker
6 Zuriel Smith
7 Justin Bates

2004:
2 Julius Jones
2 Jacob Rogers
3 Stephen Peterman
4 Bruce Thornton
5 Sean Ryan
7 Nathan Jones
7 Patrick Crayton
7 Jacques Reeves

2005:
1 DeMarcus Ware
1 Marcus Spears
2 Kevin Burnett
4 Marion Barber III
4 Chris Canty
6 Justin Beriault
[View Full Quote]6 Rob Petitti
7 Jay Ratliff

2006:
1 Bobby Carpenter
2 Anthony Fasano
3 Jason Hatcher
4 Skyler Green
5 Pat Watkins
6 Montavious Stanley
7 Pat McQuistan
7 E. J. Whitley

I mean really, he gets too much credit. He totally tanked the 2006 and 2004 drafts. If it was not for his 2005 draft where truth be told he had to be talked into DeMarcus Ware and vocally wanted to take Spears with the same pick he took Ware with and hit on Witten in Newman his first year it would go down as the worst 4 year stretch in history.

So it's the old if it was a bad pick it was the coach syndrome. Got it.

[Don Corleone]

Originally Posted by SDogo

Huh..........Kurt Warner? It's the only name that remotely makes sense and he was with St. Louis when Parcells arrived and did not become available till 2005.

Those were also Warner's "lean" years. Where he seemed to be going through a funk, and was fumbling the Qb/center exchange. Not good.

[SDogo]

Originally Posted by Dave_in-NC

So it's the old if it was a bad pick it was the coach syndrome. Got it.

Well I figure it's the only time it can be because if you ask anyone who has an opinion it was the only 4 years Jerry had no control..............cough, cough

[panchucko]

Originally Posted by Dave_in-NC

Made more money betting against them.

I guess that puts you in the i would rather see the Cowboys fail than succeed.
That is cool with me. It is always a love hate releationship.

[Dave_in-NC]

Originally Posted by SDogo

Well I figure it's the only time it can be because if you ask anyone who has an opinion it was the only 4 years Jerry had no control..............cough, cough

[Dave_in-NC]

Originally Posted by panchucko

I guess that puts you in the i would rather see the Cowboys fail than succeed.
That is cool with me. It is always a love hate releationship.

No it just makes me smart with my money.

[yimyammer]

Originally Posted by NextGenBoys

I'm beyond exhausted.

I've had high hopes for the team since 2005, and don't have anything remotely close to a success. And I don't call success ONLY being a Super Bowl.

Me too man, I've tried the last few years to suppress what I thought I saw in this team (rather what I felt was lacking) because I deferred to the people who post here who have more football knowledge and expertise than I do, yet every year I end up seeing what I thought in my gut would happen.

My hope is a flickering flame fighting to stay alive and I'm really having a hard time seeing how the people that run the organization can ever right the ship again. I think they care & want to succeed but they simply don't know how. They're a visible representation of The Peter Principle and have rose to their level of incompetence, but there is no one around that can or will replace them.

[slomoxn]

Originally Posted by VThokie7

Why are you talking in circles? Are you saying Parcells passed on a QB that both won and lost a super bowl while Parcells was in Dallas? Only Pittsburgh and New England qualify if that is your parameters and the whole 31 teams passed addition removes Ben.

I apologize for the circles, I don't pay attention to stats or years or whatever. For me it is really black and white and Warner was available for Dallas to pick up. It may not have been while Tuna was here but shortly after if not. Regardless if he was fumbling snaps it may have been coaching or something else, maybe a center change? Whatever the reason Warner is/was a winner and would have been the perfect qb for a young Dallas team with a bigger than life receiver with a HUGE EGO. One thing I do remember was why doesn't Dallas take a look at that guy, the time frame may be slightly off but so has this team for almost 20 years. Oh yeah he did not win and lose a bowl WHILE the Tuna was here that was after he ran out on us.

[SDogo]

Originally Posted by slomoxn

I apologize for the circles, I don't pay attention to stats or years or whatever. For me it is really black and white and Warner was available for Dallas to pick up. It may not have been while Tuna was here but shortly after if not. Regardless if he was fumbling snaps it may have been coaching or something else, maybe a center change? Whatever the reason Warner is/was a winner and would have been the perfect qb for a young Dallas team with a bigger than life receiver with a HUGE EGO. One thing I do remember was why doesn't Dallas take a look at that guy, the time frame may be slightly off but so has this team for almost 20 years.

Could be he was already 33 going on 34 years old when he became available and Tony Romo was just starting his journey.

[slomoxn]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Parcells is the only reason we have any chance to contend today. He completely turned around this franchise and did so joined at the hip with Jerry. That's tough to do.

To claim he leaves when the going gets tough is laughable. This is a guy who joins awful teams and rebuilds them. He's not some Phil Jackson of the NFL here.

Miami Dolphins

[Bowdown27]

I was never happy bringing in parcells. I may be in the minority but I wasn't happy with him or wade coming in. Jason I think can do very good things with this team but it may take time and none of us want that. We need to win now.

[slomoxn]

Originally Posted by SDogo

Could be he was already 33 going on 34 years old when he became available and Tony Romo was just starting his journey.

That is true, he also has a ring and a near ring at that age. What does Dallas have, just taking a look doesn't hurt, they looked at Henson and a ton of other never was qb's why couldnt they look at someone who at least won something.

[Don Corleone]

Originally Posted by SDogo

Could be he was already 33 going on 34 years old when he became available and Tony Romo was just starting his journey.

Warner looked terrible for awhile. He seemed to have been injured, couldn't grip the ball, fumbled snaps, and looked out of sync. He ended on a high note, but clearly got the benefit of a doubt in those years.

[Dave_in-NC]

Originally Posted by Bowdown27

I was never happy bringing in parcells. I may be in the minority but I wasn't happy with him or wade coming in. Jason I think can do very good things with this team but it may take time and none of us want that. We need to win now.

I'm not sure no one wants it to take time. I just think some of us understand the opportunity for some of our key players is slipping away.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by SDogo

Thank goodness we avoided that!

Imagine what would of happened to this team if we had two complete drafts (16 picks) where only 7 of the players were still on the active roster just 6 and 7 years later!

Considering that's the last time Jerry did not mettle in the process.........oops

Seriously people, look at Parcells draft record here..........I mean seriously

2003:
1 Terence Newman
2 Al Johnson
3 Jason Witten
4 Bradie James
6 B. J. Tucker
6 Zuriel Smith
7 Justin Bates

2004:
2 Julius Jones
2 Jacob Rogers
3 Stephen Peterman
4 Bruce Thornton
5 Sean Ryan
7 Nathan Jones
7 Patrick Crayton
7 Jacques Reeves

2005:
1 DeMarcus Ware
1 Marcus Spears
2 Kevin Burnett
4 Marion Barber III
4 Chris Canty
6 Justin Beriault
[View Full Quote]6 Rob Petitti
7 Jay Ratliff

2006:
1 Bobby Carpenter
2 Anthony Fasano
3 Jason Hatcher
4 Skyler Green
5 Pat Watkins
6 Montavious Stanley
7 Pat McQuistan
7 E. J. Whitley

I mean really, he gets too much credit. He totally tanked the 2006 and 2004 drafts. If it was not for his 2005 draft where truth be told he had to be talked into DeMarcus Ware and vocally wanted to take Spears with the same pick he took Ware with and hit on Witten in Newman his first year it would go down as the worst 4 year stretch in history.

And he kept romo while Jerruh was doing his Q, Hutch and Henson dance.
Also Miles showed up.
with the exception of LEE and the guys from this year and last year who did Wade and company get?
Who did Jerruh get before BP
Players drafted while BP was here
Ware/Witten/Ratlif/James/Newman

so the core of this team has been BP year players
So your point is as usual wrong