Jerry Jones: "our defensive front is one of the strengths of our team"

[Joe Realist]

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich

We have no idea if Jerry is being truthful with the media or not.

He may say this and then go out and sign a FA defensive end and draft a NT in the first round.

I hope they don't think this way because I didn't have a lot of problems with how Spencer played. We just needed one of our DE's to win a one-on-one battle every once in awhile last year and we couldn't get it with any consistency.


YR

Sometimes you can read into body language. My bet is that they are targeting someone in draft or FA and Spencer is fall back plan.

[Zimmy Lives]

Originally Posted by stasheroo

I'm curious as to why you feel this way?

Spencer received one-on-one blocking alrerady and couldn't beat it with any measure of consistancy.

Do you think he would get zero blocking if we improved at DE?

I think we can improve at DE and that player can beat one-on-one blocking, but I don't see why that means we should pay for an average player in Spencer as a result.

Honestly, what I'd love to see is us sign Casey Hampton if/when the Steelers cut him loose. He's an older player but I think he's got a few good years left, especially in a rotation.

We can then move Ratliff to defensive end, where I feel he'll be more effective at this point in his career.

As for Spencer? I don't see the diollars matching what he does and does not contribute. I'd prefer to pay a player like Ahmad Brooks instead.

Given the opportunity to grab Brooks over Spencer, I'd take it if it was fiscally responsible. I think, though, that Spencer can be signed for a reasonable contract given his limitations.

Spencer's limitation is that he only has one move and that's the outside rush. Give him someone at DE who can collapse the pocket and I think his sacks would double. Does anyone really think Harvey Martin was a great pass rusher before Randy White came along?

[JackWagon]

Originally Posted by bbgun

He should fold.

If you cant find the sucker in the room .... guess what ... its you.

[stasheroo]

Originally Posted by Zimmy Lives

Given the opportunity to grab Brooks over Spencer, I'd take it if it was fiscally responsible. I think, though, that Spencer can be signed for a reasonable contract given his limitations.

If it's close, I'm taking Brooks. I think he's the better pass-rusher and the more physical player as well. And his previous issues seem well behind him.

Spencer's limitation is that he only has one move and that's the outside rush. Give him someone at DE who can collapse the pocket and I think his sacks would double. Does anyone really think Harvey Martin was a great pass rusher before Randy White came along?

But again, Spencer is already getting one-on-one blocking now and is proving unable of beating it with any regularity.

I feel that even if we have a dominating DE eating up double-teams, Spencer will still be getting the man-on-man blocking he's already getting and he'll continue to struggle to beat that blocking.

I just don't think that he's a good enough pass rusher and don't feel he ever will be.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

This guy just can't help himself.

[Gaede]

Originally Posted by sonnyboy

Maybe Jerry and Stepen are right. Maybe they are echoing the sentiments of our coaches.

This defense finished 16th in points allowed(21.6), 23rd in passing yards allowed(244.1), 17th in intereptions with (15), 7th in rushing yards allowed(99.1) and 7th in sacks with(42).

Because it's all about prioritization of availible resources. CB and FS probably need to take prescedent over any front seven concern.

You do make a good argument, but I'm of the opinion that mediocrity on the DL makes the secondary look worse. Eli Manning will rip the **** out of any defense that gives him 7 seconds to throw.

Our D can stop the run OK, but gets very little pressure at all. We've got two good players in Lissemore and Ratlif, but the other DE is trash and our depth is non-existent. You win in today's NFL by stopping the pass--and considering how difficult it is to have 5 legit CBs, the best way to do that is to rush the passer. And the best way to rush the passer is to get pressure from the DL.

[sonnyboy]

Originally Posted by Gaede

You do make a good argument, but I'm of the opinion that mediocrity on the DL makes the secondary look worse. Eli Manning will rip the **** out of any defense that gives him 7 seconds to throw.

Our D can stop the run OK, but gets very little pressure at all. We've got two good players in Lissemore and Ratlif, but the other DE is trash and our depth is non-existent. You win in today's NFL by stopping the pass--and considering how difficult it is to have 5 legit CBs, the best way to do that is to rush the passer. And the best way to rush the passer is to get pressure from the DL.

Thanks for being the 2nd poster with enough sense to acknowledge these inconvenient facts.

I know it's just more fun for some to disagree with everything our owner says, even if it might have some truth or accuarcy in it.

[theogt]

According to FootballOutsiders, we had the 6th best pass rush in the league in 2011. The defensive front seven was not the problem. It was a strength. The problem was that we have a historically bad secondary. Historically bad. If we have an even mediocre secondary, Ware would have the sack title and we would have been in the playoffs.

Jerry is right. He doesn't *need* to focus any resources on the front seven on defense. But if something falls in our laps, so be it.

[Avenger]

Jerry Jones: "our defensive front is one of the strengths of our team"



Yeah... and "Scuba Dave" Campo will make a great head coach.

[Gaede]

edit: nm

[theogt]

Also, Profootballfocus had the Cowboys ranked as the 3rd best pass rush in the league.

If you look at pressures and sacks on a per snap basis, Dallas's defensive line was in the top 3rd of all 3-4 defenses.

Sorry, but on this point, it's Jerry - 1, clueless fans - 0.

[WilmingtonHeel]

Originally Posted by theogt

Also, Profootballfocus had the Cowboys ranked as the 3rd best pass rush in the league.

If you look at pressures and sacks on a per snap basis, Dallas's defensive line was in the top 3rd of all 3-4 defenses.

Sorry, but on this point, it's Jerry - 1, clueless fans - 0.

Game set match!

[TheDoctor]

Originally Posted by theogt

According to FootballOutsiders, we had the 6th best pass rush in the league in 2011. The defensive front seven was not the problem. It was a strength. The problem was that we have a historically bad secondary. Historically bad. If we have an even mediocre secondary, Ware would have the sack title and we would have been in the playoffs.

Jerry is right. He doesn't *need* to focus any resources on the front seven on defense. But if something falls in our laps, so be it.

That's a good find and while I agree the secondary was atrocious, there is still a need for depth on the front 7, also someone who can finally compliment Ware on the opposite side. There was too many times where the guys just ran into brick walls and generated 0 push.

[theogt]

Originally Posted by TheDoctor

That's a good find and while I agree the secondary was atrocious, there is still a need for depth on the front 7, also someone who can finally compliment Ware on the opposite side. There was too many times where the guys just ran into brick walls and generated 0 push.

According to Profootballfocus, among the nearly one hundred 3-4 OLBs and 4-3 DEs in the league that played at least 25% of their team's snaps, Spencer was 18th in the league in QB pressures.

That means there are only 17 players in the league at a comparable position that pressured the QB more than Spencer. To me, that means his production will be hard to replace or improve upon.

[Bleu Star]

Originally Posted by dboy214

last part of the video. jerry echoes stephen jones thoughts from a few weeks ago about the defensive line.

Homer fan checking in here...

Jerry and Stephen are both delusiional if they feel our DLine doesn't need work. At the least, an upgrade to compliment Ware. At the most, an upgrade to compliment Ware and a big nasty plugger at NT.

Homer fan checking out...