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Old 02-02-2012   #1
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Default Kiper's new mock 2.0

Has Dallas taking Janoris Jenkins at 14.
Has Ingram going 8 to Miami
Has Upshaw going 10 to Buffalo
Has Kuechly going 12 to Kansas City
Has DeCastro going 13 to Arizona
Has Kirkpatrick going 17 to Bengals

Doesn't even have Hightower in the 1st.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft...?eleven=twelve
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Old 02-02-2012   #2
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I was looking at the actual game stats for Hightower, and they really weren't that impressive for this past season. Going to the NFL, that isn't good...sacks and interceptions in the college ranks were low. That doesn't elevate his view beyond down hill.
There's no right way to do the wrong thing.

To compete for the playoffs, Dallas has to improve here: Only four sacks against Eli Manning over the past six games!
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Old 02-02-2012   #3
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If possible I would trade out of 14 rather than draft Jenkins at 14. Has nothing to do with character, but Hosley/Minnifield + an extra 2nd just sounds much better. I don't think there is a large gap between Jenkins and Minnifiled/Hosely.
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With Kiper's top, I would agree on a move down or grabbing a tackle.
There's no right way to do the wrong thing.

To compete for the playoffs, Dallas has to improve here: Only four sacks against Eli Manning over the past six games!
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Looks like that is actually mcshay's draft linked.

But if the draft falls that way it would seriously suck for Dallas.

A lot of realistic targets for us going within 4 picks of us drafting is terrible.
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If possible I would trade out of 14 rather than draft Jenkins at 14. Has nothing to do with character, but Hosley/Minnifield + an extra 2nd just sounds much better. I don't think there is a large gap between Jenkins and Minnifiled/Hosely.
Would you say there's a large gap between Claiborne and Hosely/Minni?
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Would you say there's a large gap between Claiborne and Hosely/Minni?
Definitely. Size, speed, top notch college production. Claiborne has it all. Claiborne.is head and shoulders above the rest of the corners in the draft. There's a group of 4, maybe 5, that are close but a good notch below Claiborne.
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Is Janoris THAT good? Mike Jenkins went 25th overall, is Janoris 11 picks better?

If we lose DeCastro by 1 pick, I'll be so pissed off.
We need wins, and that's all we need. I don't give a damn about anyone on this roster over wins. I'd trade Ware, Lee and Dez if it meant more wins.
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Definitely. Size, speed, top notch college production. Claiborne has it all. Claiborne.is head and shoulders above the rest of the corners in the draft. There's a group of 4, maybe 5, that are close but a good notch below Claiborne.
Based purely on talent, i see Jenkins as being right up there with Claiborne. If he had never had any off the field issues, i think it'd be a toss up between the two for who goes off the board first, although Claiborne might win because he has the ideal size teams are looking for where Jenkins is a bit short.
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Has Michael Brockers going to Carolina at the 9 spot.

Crap.







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Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama



Corner is clearly the Cowboys' top need area, and Jenkins proved at the Senior Bowl that he's still an elite cover corner after spending a year at the Division II level. Dallas will need to get comfortable with his character issues, though, including legal issues that led to his dismissal from the Florida program.

A week ago, he said DeCastro... now CB is the top need. Did that change because CB is really the top need, or because CeCastro was gone in this version?


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Another with the 3-4 pass rushers going before we pick.
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Is Janoris THAT good? Mike Jenkins went 25th overall, is Janoris 11 picks better?

If we lose DeCastro by 1 pick, I'll be so pissed off.
I'd have to agree.

I don't follow college football all that much but if what people have said about the guy is true, I think it'd warrant a trade up in front of Arizona.

The price to go up 2 slots won't be that high.
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I have sort of given up on Ingram,he is not a realistic target at 14.
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From a pure talent standpoint, Janoris Jenkins is exactly the type of player the Cowboys need at LCB. He has the speed and quickness and skill set to take Victor Cruz all over the field, especially in the slot. Jenkins could match-up very well with all the Eagles' receivers, inside and outside. While Nicks would have the size advantage, Nicks would have a very difficult time gaining separation from Jenkins, imo. Plus, Jenkins can jam him in man coverage. Jenkins has a great burst to the football, too. He can get down hill on the football fast and make plays on the ball. Also, Jenkins comes from a winning program at Florida.

The off the field stuff is a big concern, but Jenkins could be a huge steal at 14 if he has put his troubles behind him. He's 5" 9" 3/4, but he sure does a whole lot of technical stuff very well. Furthermore, he is very gifted athletically and has great cover skills. I really like him as a football player. The Cowboys will probably do a bunch of homework on him, and they should.

If Dallas did clear and draft Janoris Jenkins at 14, I would want Kelechi Osemele in round 2.

Bucky Brooks gives Jenkins to the Bengals at 17. Don Banks gives Jenkins to Dallas at 14.



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I would want Kelechi Osemele in round 2.


I seen this kid play I don't thing he a day one player

I rather have Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin
Senio Kelemete, G, Wash


Amini Silatolu, G, Midwestern State 6-3 324


Pass blocking: Not likely to stay at left tackle in the NFL, but shows better lateral agility than expected for his short, stocky build. Quick enough to help left guard with a punch on the tackle after the snap, yet make it outside to stop the end from reaching the pocket. Resets hands after initial contact to maintain distance, also extends his arms at the end of plays to finish. Anchors well against most defenders with low center of gravity and natural bend. Owns a strong punch that will knock rushers off their route. Takes ends around the pocket and blocks off inside lane against most tackles or twisting ends; NFL defenders will have the edge in quickness in those situations, however.
Run blocking: By no means a gentle giant, attacks defenders in the run game and will finish blocks. Plays with violent hands at the point of attack. Crashes down the edge, will take multiple defenders to the ground. Overextends trying to sustain or dominate blocks instead of simply walling off quicker defenders. Will let up on blocks on occasion when he thinks the play is away.
Pulling/trapping: Hustle and agility allow coaches to use him in front of bubble screens despite his thick, compact build and average long speed. Nimble and quick enough to trap inside or even pull around to the strong-side of the formation from his left tackle spot. Flattens small-college linebackers at the second level when coming straight-on. Flashes some flexibility to get a hand up against oncoming inside defenders, but must show he can make that block against speed of the pro game.
Initial Quickness: Rarely challenged off the snap by Division II defenders on run or pass plays, must ramp it up against NFL-caliber quickness. Gets into move blocks very quickly for his size. Lines up mostly in two-point stance at tackle, needs to show he can get into and out of his stance effectively inside with his hand on the ground.
Downfield: Size and a lack of long foot speed will limit his range, but his effort to help out running backs in the second level (and beyond) is impressive. Can hit multiple defenders if following or leading his back down the field, plays with the tenacity to push piles downfield for extra yardage. Intangibles: Possesses on-field nastiness and hustle to help teammates, NFL coaches will get even more out of him. Scouts will have major questions about his level of competition, as well as his football and general intelligence, after he played two years at junior college and two years in Division
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