DeCastro at 14 is stupid

[realtick]

Originally Posted by UncFelix28

Who knows if DeCastro even falls to us at 14 first and foremost & I understand the interior oline is extremely important, I would just hate to reach at 14 and would like to think there are other nice guards in this coming draft that we could get in the 2nd or 3rd.. Dre Kirkpatrick is the CB I want & I would take Janoris Jenkins if Kirkpatrick didn't make it to us

If DeCastro is off the board and Kirkpatrick is available, he's the player I want.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

It's tough to grade him to a certain extent. He is playing with what is probably the best collection of talent at OL I can remember. As a unit, they were very good. Will be interesting to see what he grades out as.

when 25 of 30 people tell you that you are drunk, its time to borrow a quarter and lay down in the gutter.

There is no reputable source I have been able to find that thinks Glenn is a top pick. NONE.

On the other hand there are quite a few reputable sources that say DeCastro is one of the best guard prospects in many years.

You need to claim otherwise is puzzling.

[ABQcowboyJR]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

when 25 of 30 people tell you that you are drunk, its time to borrow a quarter and lay down in the gutter.

There is no reputable source I have been able to find that thinks Glenn is a top pick. NONE.

On the other hand there are quite a few reputable sources that say DeCastro is one of the best guard prospects in many years.

You need to claim otherwise is puzzling.

25 out of 30 people tell you to walk off a cliff.....so you do it?
Come one that logic is fundamentally flawed.

[Gaede]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

when 25 of 30 people tell you that you are drunk, its time to borrow a quarter and lay down in the gutter.

There is no reputable source I have been able to find that thinks Glenn is a top pick. NONE.

On the other hand there are quite a few reputable sources that say DeCastro is one of the best guard prospects in many years.

You need to claim otherwise is puzzling.

That's a pretty crappy argument dude.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

[UncFelix28]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

when 25 of 30 people tell you that you are drunk, its time to borrow a quarter and lay down in the gutter.

There is no reputable source I have been able to find that thinks Glenn is a top pick. NONE.

On the other hand there are quite a few reputable sources that say DeCastro is one of the best guard prospects in many years.

You need to claim otherwise is puzzling.

lol not saying mocks mean a thing, but the people on walterfootball and bleacherreport both have Glenn at pick 17 & 20.. So obviously those 2 disagree with you.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

when 25 of 30 people tell you that you are drunk, its time to borrow a quarter and lay down in the gutter.

There is no reputable source I have been able to find that thinks Glenn is a top pick. NONE.

On the other hand there are quite a few reputable sources that say DeCastro is one of the best guard prospects in many years.

You need to claim otherwise is puzzling.

They said the same thing about other players that never panned out. I'll tell ya what Burm, you keep that drunken advice and I'll just go ahead and see what the combine shows.

Fair enough?

[jnday]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

They said the same thing about other players that never panned out. I'll tell ya what Burm, you keep that drunken advice and I'll just go ahead and see what the combine shows.

Fair enough?

If the combine backs up everything that has been said about DeCastro , would it change your opinion ? The combine is not a great way to scout linemen IMO . The fact that DeCastro has played the position at an elite level all season is a better way to scout him .

[UncFelix28]

You have watched every Stanford game?

[TheCount]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

It's tough to grade him to a certain extent. He is playing with what is probably the best collection of talent at OL I can remember. As a unit, they were very good. Will be interesting to see what he grades out as.

Gotta disagree, that award goes to Wisconsin.

[jterrell]

I support the OP's position here.


I think you have to do your homework on DeCastro but I'd lean to a trade down if he was my highest rated player at draft time. I think 18-20 is highest I'd be comfortable taking a Guard.

DeCastro at 14 would be the highest drafted OG in a decade. The next highest is Branden Albert who went 15th. Albert is a solid starter but that's it. He certainly hasn't propelled the Chiefs to great heights.

I realize the Cowboys undervalued their OL for a long time on draft day but you can't go stupidly opposite that now. We bring back r4 and r7 2nd year guys and have access to guys who have started double digit games in the league. Do we need to get better at OG? Yes. Do we need to spend pick 14 on interior OL with major holes at CB, LB, S? No way.

[realtick]

Originally Posted by jterrell

I support the OP's position here.


I think you have to do your homework on DeCastro but I'd lean to a trade down if he was my highest rated player at draft time. I think 18-20 is highest I'd be comfortable taking a Guard.

DeCastro at 14 would be the highest drafted OG in a decade. The next highest is Branden Albert who went 15th. Albert is a solid starter but that's it. He certainly hasn't propelled the Chiefs to great heights.

I realize the Cowboys undervalued their OL for a long time on draft day but you can't go stupidly opposite that now. We bring back r4 and r7 2nd year guys and have access to guys who have started double digit games in the league. Do we need to get better at OG? Yes. Do we need to spend pick 14 on interior OL with major holes at CB, LB, S? No way.

Lol, so at #14 "no way....too early" but just four picks later "yeah, I'd be all over him!"

Silly.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by realtick

Lol, so at #14 "no way....too early" but just four picks later "yeah, I'd be all over him!"

Silly.

You crafted that post but called me "silly"??
ROFL.

I said 4-6 picks later would be the first I'd be "comfortable" taking a guard.
That isn't all saying I'd be all over him.

And 4 slots in round 1 is fairly valuable territory.

I had you on ignore but clicked view post ... should have known my initial ignores are always proven correct.

[tm1119]

I dont tink there is any argument that DeCastro is a top 20 prospect in this draft, regardless of position. And theres also no doubt that OG is also a top priority on our roster. Soooo, how could those 2 things together possibly be stupid? If DeCastro is the top rated player on our board than its an absolute no brainer. I don't care what other guards are behind him in the draft.

I could probably make this same argument for every player you would want to draft at 14. Especially if you're saying guys like Jeff Allen are day 1 starters.

[realtick]

Originally Posted by jterrell

You crafted that post but called me "silly"??
ROFL.

I said 4-6 picks later would be the first I'd be "comfortable" taking a guard.
That isn't all saying I'd be all over him.

And 4 slots in round 1 is fairly valuable territory.

I had you on ignore but clicked view post ... should have known my initial ignores are always proven correct.

Lol, yeah, I "crafted" the post, you provided the material.

Your posts always provide me comedy relief, I wouldn't dare put you on ignore.

Four slots in round 1 at #14 is not a world of difference. Moving to the backend of the 1st round would be significant difference. If you like a player such as DeCastro at #18, four slots lower at #14 is not significant.

[BAT]

If the Cowboys take DeCastro, with 14 or a trade down, I hope they play him at C. Center is the more important position and DeCastro has the IQ, technique, and size to make an immediate impact there.

At 315, he will struggle against the behemoths that play DT in the NFL. To have better anchor, DeCastro would have put on 10 lbs minimum in the pros. And even then, that is no guarantee he will be an elite player at that position. If Cowboys take DeCastro, I doubt they spend the money on Nicks. And Nicks is the sure thing.

Not saying DeCastro will not be a good pick, just saying expectations need to be little more realistic.