DeCastro at 14 is stupid

[stasheroo]

Originally Posted by TheCount

There's plenty of precedent for guards being played early. He just threw the whole superbowl thing in there to eliminate that counterpoint being made.

It's like saying no Superbowl winner has played a game on Thursday with 56% humidity. If a team had actually played a Thrusday game, you can't counter with that because the humidity level may have been 57%.

To say nothing of the fact that it was just plain inaccurate...

Passing on a top teir prospect because you believe you can get a 3rd teir prospect later is a good way to get into trouble. What happens if the 3rd teir guy is gone and suddenly you're looking at a bunch of 4th teir guys?

See Cowboys Draft 2009 for more info.

I think the rulebook says to "trade down at a loss and draft multiple bums in the hope that you'll hit on one of 'em."

[CCBoy]

Originally Posted by stasheroo

Logan Mankins?



Has guard been a 'relatively easy position to fill' for this team? Just doesn't happen.

Presto, huh? Sounds so easy when you say it.

Ray Donaldson performed well even after a very extensive career with another team. It usually boils down to the reason for the person entering the free agency. Whether it was for diminished tools or money levels with that particular team. That is on the veteran side. And with the offensive line, the more dependable source of immediate relief for a NFL team.

Successful drafting, then depends upon non-positional specific considerations as well as point in a draft that opportunity presents itself. Not a decision on whether the cap can stand a player.

[realtick]

Originally Posted by jterrell

Hmmmmmm.... let's see.
Sorry for the obvious formatting issues but I think you'll see below that the Giants did not spend much at all in the way of draft picks along the OL and I only see one 5th round pick used on an interior lineman the entire previous 7 drafts during which they won 2 Super Bowls.

Sorry, just because the Giants are the most recent Super Bowl winner doesn't mean they have the single blueprint for winning championships.

BTW, are you speaking of just 1st round picks or high draft (Rounds 1-3) picks alltogether?

Green Bay recently drafted spent two 1st rounders on OL (Sherrod & Beluga).

Steelers...with Pouncey.

Saints....Charles Brown (2nd rounder)

That's just off the top of the head.

Beyond that, this team has no rich history of simply drafting, developing and plugging in late round draft picks into the starting lineup. At one point, our entire starting line (sans Andre Gurode) was comprised of FA signings.

[CCBoy]

Originally Posted by realtick

Sorry, just because the Giants are the most recent Super Bowl winner doesn't mean they have the single blueprint for winning championships.

BTW, are you speaking of just 1st round picks or high draft (Rounds 1-3) picks alltogether?

Green Bay recently drafted spent two 1st rounders on OL (Sherrod & Beluga).

Steelers...with Pouncey.

Saints....Charles Brown (2nd rounder)

That's just off the top of the head.

Beyond that, this team has no rich history of simply drafting, developing and plugging in late round draft picks into the starting lineup. At one point, our entire starting line (sans Andre Gurode) was comprised of FA signings.

It's so nice having you back at work on site, realtick. You bring in checks on views...and reasoned additions appreciated at least by myself. That is what discussion is about. And thanks!

[realtick]

Originally Posted by jterrell

I listened to Brian Broaddus last night and his take was this:

No way to DeCastro at 14. Good player (not truly special prospect though) but Dallas needs defense too desperately. He felt Upshaw was the top target followed by Kirkpatrick. Felt Ingram was below Upshaw and not in the mix at 14.

Said the team desperately needs an upgraded pass rush.

He watch the scouts film of these guys so I'll listen but he has been wrong before.

I think you interpolated what Broaduss said and are making it seem as if he insinuated that DeCastro was "not truly a special prospect..." That wasn't the case at all. His emphasized fixing this defense with "better players." He even suggested using all the picks on defense. He said he would try to sign Carl Nicks.

I don't think most fans are arguing against Nicks. Even the folks that are pro-DeCastro have been saying Nicks would be a good alternative.

[realtick]

Originally Posted by CCBoy

It's so nice having you back at work on site, realtick. You bring in checks on views...and reasoned additions appreciated at least by myself. That is what discussion is about. And thanks!

Thanks CC!

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by realtick

I think you interpolated what Broaduss said and are making it seem as if he insinuated that DeCastro was "not truly a special prospect..." That wasn't the case at all. His emphasized fixing this defense with "better players." He even suggested using all the picks on defense. He said he would try to sign Carl Nicks.

I don't think most fans are arguing against Nicks. Even the folks that are pro-DeCastro have been saying Nicks would be a good alternative.

Yep!!!! It also gives credence to the importance of that position because if you get Nicks it will come at a very high cost contract wise. You don't pay out big money on positions that don't mean much.

[CCBoy]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

Yep!!!! It also gives credence to the importance of that position because if you get Nicks it will come at a very high cost contract wise. You don't pay out big money on positions that don't mean much.

Actually, a team has more control with the use of cap money. But high price doesn't remove high production as well....go figure.

[Zaxor]

Originally Posted by CCBoy

Zaxor, I have always been impressed with your integrity. It is exemplary and so noted...

I would question aspects in a player, by your noting of concerns. Here, the motivated players seem to forge an immediate identity once entering the NFL. As of recently, the highly publicised and praised interior linemen going into the draft, have resulted in a mixed bag of results in the NFL.

Smith, last season, rushed up charts and was motivated by a desire to fulfill that rush of attention. He did.

With an interior lineman, cerebral self appraisols, with accolade of first round money, doesn't cut directly across establishing NFL grit in the trenches. Sometimes a little humbling works in development of metal for an interior lineman. It worked for Carl Nicks, and well for Larry Allen as well.

Glenn could well be the route to go. And a marriage of both Glenn and Konz might be NFL wisdom by a Dallas staff. Think?

I agree some of the best olineman I can think of had to go through the fire first and being old soldiers as we are we can appreciate that... But that still isn't all my concern about DeCastro I think he will give it his all... but I have a hunch he isn't going to mount to too much probably turns out to be a solid player much like our own Kyle Kosier...That is not to say if the Cowboys draft him I won't be rooting like crazy for the kid...but in the three games I got to see him in..I didn't come away all that impressed


there is this kid named Kuechly ILB Boston College that I did come away impressed with having gotten to see only 2 games of his but the kid was everywhere...I realise ILB may not be a need for this team but this kid was hands down the best defensive player I have seen this year.. they would throw it in the flat the kid was there.. they run a sweep the kid was there... they run a dive the kid was there...they ask him to blitz and I'll be dog-gone if that kid didn't get there. there wasn't a single thing that I could think of that you would ask a middle LB to do that this kid couldn't do and do well.

[CCBoy]

Originally Posted by Zaxor

I agree some of the best olineman I can think of had to go through the fire first and being old soldiers as we are we can appreciate that... But that still isn't all my concern about DeCastro I think he will give it his all... but I have a hunch he isn't going to mount to too much probably turns out to be a solid player much like our own Kyle Kosier...That is not to say if the Cowboys draft him I won't be rooting like crazy for the kid...but in the three games I got to see him in..I didn't come away all that impressed


[View Full Quote]there is this kid named Kuechly ILB Boston College that I did come away impressed with having gotten to see only 2 games of his but the kid was everywhere...I realise ILB may not be a need for this team but this kid was hands down the best defensive player I have seen this year.. they would throw it in the flat the kid was there.. they run a sweep the kid was there... they run a dive the kid was there...they ask him to blitz and I'll be dog-gone if that kid didn't get there. there wasn't a single thing that I could think of that you would ask a middle LB to do that this kid couldn't do and do well.

Actually, I agree with you completely upon Kuechly. He is worth every bit of the selection price in the first round. I would even prefer his selection to others being bantered about. He is the real deal in the interior of the defense. He has marketable speed for the NFL. He is a straight line force, and would weld at the hip with Sean Lee.

Linebackers are the real heart of a very good 3-4 defense. And Dallas hasn't solved all of it's problems there. It would marry the defensive line with the secondary and make for a problematic group with his addition. That, I like a whole lot.

I'm not giving up on Bruce Carter in the least here, just wanting depth and improved package play, as Carter would remain fresh for running all over the field in coverages.

For now, I can reasonably settle on a picture of DeMarcus Ware, Anthony Spencer, and Victor Butler on the outside.

Right now, it doesn't appear that the Cowboys will be able to sniff at a projected dominant force for the pass rush. Those appear needing to be developed, and an attempt to improve here, could be done lower in the draft.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by Zaxor

I agree some of the best olineman I can think of had to go through the fire first and being old soldiers as we are we can appreciate that... But that still isn't all my concern about DeCastro I think he will give it his all... but I have a hunch he isn't going to mount to too much probably turns out to be a solid player much like our own Kyle Kosier...That is not to say if the Cowboys draft him I won't be rooting like crazy for the kid...but in the three games I got to see him in..I didn't come away all that impressed


[View Full Quote]there is this kid named Kuechly ILB Boston College that I did come away impressed with having gotten to see only 2 games of his but the kid was everywhere...I realise ILB may not be a need for this team but this kid was hands down the best defensive player I have seen this year.. they would throw it in the flat the kid was there.. they run a sweep the kid was there... they run a dive the kid was there...they ask him to blitz and I'll be dog-gone if that kid didn't get there. there wasn't a single thing that I could think of that you would ask a middle LB to do that this kid couldn't do and do well.

Well I watched him in 5 and was greatly impressed.
While I watched Glenn in 4 and was not particularly impressed.

[Zaxor]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

Well I watched him in 5 and was greatly impressed.
While I watched Glenn in 4 and was not particularly impressed.

Glenn was playing tackle my friend... in the pros he will be a guard...and while the kick slide wasn't Glenn's strength his lateral movement, strength and long arms would make him a dominate guard.

and just out of curiosity which first rounder(s) was DeCastro going against in those 5 games

[realtick]

Originally Posted by Zaxor

Glenn was playing tackle my friend... in the pros he will be a guard...and while the kick slide wasn't Glenn's strength his lateral movement, strength and long arms would make him a dominate guard.

His lack of lateral movement is what is projecting him to the inside at OG. He does have great size and length though (35"+ arms). I like Glenn on a trade back into the 1st, not at #14 though. I think DeCastro is ready to step-in day one and hit the ground running being that he's played the position at a high-level in a pro-style run/pass offense for three seasons.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by CCBoy

Upshaw and Mario Williams would completely rewrite the Dallas pass rush.

As would a Carl Nicks and Glenn plus Konz rewrite the offensive line.

Of course. It is truly a shame there is a salary cap.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by RS12

IIRC Broaddus has been used to put out disinformation last couple years. Wasnt he the one who said they were singing the praises of Costanzo over Tyron Smith last year? I take what he says with a gran of salt this time of year.

He loved Smith but thought Costanzo was their next highest OL.
He also almost weeped over how good Arkin was.

He has a scouts eye (and more importantly tape---yes i am jealous) but yea a grain of salt is wise.