DeCastro at 14 is stupid

[JoeCorrado]

Originally Posted by TheSport78

Spagnola hinted at it a couple times and he basically relays information from Jerry.

Is that the same Spagnola who says there is no way we draft a guard at 14?

[CATCH17]

I just don't see Jerry willing to let them draft a guard in round 1.

He'll trade down a few spots and then draft him before he would ever take one outright.

Possibly draft another position and trade back up for Glenn.

As good as Decastro is I think Glenn may have more upside. Thad a big nimble man.

[realtick]

Originally Posted by TheFinisher

Since when is being more of a sure thing the only criteria that matters? I'll roll the dice on a defensive lineman with the upside of Brockers over a Guard every day of the week. I never said I was skeptical of DeCastro, I actually said I think he'll be a good pro, but how much impact do you really think a Guard has on the game? Larry Allen in his prime wouldn't have been enough to get us over the hump this season. It's all about positional value, you can find quality Guard play throughout the draft or in FA for bargain prices. Spending the 14th pick in the draft on a Guard would be insane, especially with how poor our defense is.

That's a poor way to try to determine whether a player has great value: would he have been the difference to get us over the hump on last year's team?

A disruptive 34 DE wouldnt have been the difference last season either. Why? Well, perhaps because the Cowboys would still have to play offense and Romo would still be spinning and running for his life because of the consistent pressure allowed up the middle.

If you don't think interior line play is important then we got a lot more to talk about than just college prospects.

You can get quality 34 DE later in the draft as well. And yes, if I'm using the #14 pick, I really prefer to have someone with at least some sort o production to point to.

[cbow44]

Originally Posted by realtick

That's a poor way to try to determine whether a player has great value: would he have been the difference to get us over the hump on last year's team?

A disruptive 34 DE wouldnt have been the difference last season either. Why? Well, perhaps because the Cowboys would still have to play offense and Romo would still be spinning and running for his life because of the consistent pressure allowed up the middle.

If you don't think interior line play is important then we got a lot more to talk about than just college prospects.

You can get quality 34 DE later in the draft as well. And yes, if I'm using the #14 pick, I really prefer to have someone with at least some sort o production to point to.

So you think the Giants made a mistake drafting the raw but high upside Jason Pierre Paul ? They should have taken someone more ready to play their first year?

[tupperware]

Wrong thread.

[realtick]

Originally Posted by cbow44

So you think the Giants made a mistake drafting the raw but high upside Jason Pierre Paul ? They should have taken someone more ready to play their first year?

Lol, so you want take an example and make it general rule and prescribe it for every raw d-linemen? "Uh oh, better take player X, remember JPP!"

JPP also produced at the collegiate level, moreso than Brockers.

This team needs immediate help from its 1st rounder. If we end up picking up Carl Nicks or some starter in FA, then I'd be a lot more open to Brockers, whom again, I like.

[cbow44]

Originally Posted by realtick

Lol, so you want take an example and make it general rule and prescribe it for every raw d-linemen? "Uh oh, better take player X, remember JPP!"

JPP also produced at the collegiate level, moreso than Brockers.

got it.

[robert70x7]

Originally Posted by cbow44

So what your are telling me, you couldnt find any either. I already knew that. He is Highly regarded but not any more than the Pouncy twins. The only place he is being more highly regarded is here.

http://www.google.com/search?q=david...I7SNCA_enUS351

[neosapien23]

Why are people so high on Brockers? If you are oozing with potential than it means that you haven't done it yet. I would rather draft someone like Mercilus or even Upshaw that has a body of work to speak of.

[cbow44]

Originally Posted by robert70x7

http://www.google.com/search?q=david...I7SNCA_enUS351

I see you worked really hard on this and I'm not knocking DeCastro I think he is a really good player. But I quit looking after 6 links, all you showed were a bunch of fourms like this one. I have just about every draft site in my favorite places and I look at them all most every night. All agree he is a high pick. I'm saying their are other players we need to consider. Every year after the combine and senior bowl and all of the amatuer draft guys get to mingle with the the real scouts and you see a shuffling of their boards. At this time last year you didnt really hear anything about Aldon Smith or J.J. Watt as being top 10 picks. The same will hold true this year. After the Combine DeCastro may be considered a top 10 talent but so may Brockers or Perry. If the talent is equal I want someone who can help Ware put pressure on the QB. You guys would rather have Romo better protected. that dosent mean we dont care about Romo's health. It simply means I'm tired of some of this teams defensive players quitting and I think its a bigger liability than the offense. But as I have said repeatedly, if the experts tell me DeCastro is as great as all of you do. Then by all means take him at 14

[RS12]

Originally Posted by cbow44

I see you worked really hard on this and I'm not knocking DeCastro I think he is a really good player. But I quit looking after 6 links, all you showed were a bunch of fourms like this one. I have just about every draft site in my favorite places and I look at them all most every night. All agree he is a high pick. I'm saying their are other players we need to consider. Every year after the combine and senior bowl and all of the amatuer draft guys get to mingle with the the real scouts and you see a shuffling of their boards. At this time last year you didnt really hear anything about Aldon Smith or J.J. Watt as being top 10 picks. The same will hold true this year. After the Combine DeCastro may be considered a top 10 talent but so may Brockers or Perry. If the talent is equal I want someone who can help Ware put pressure on the QB. You guys would rather have Romo better protected. that dosent mean we dont care about Romo's health. It simply means I'm tired of some of this teams [View Full Quote]defensive players quitting and I think its a bigger liability than the offense. But as I have said repeatedly, if the experts tell me DeCastro is as great as all of you do. Then by all means take him at 14

Next year as another year of the Romo window closes, who is the surest thing to make an impact? Brockers, Perry or DeCastro? Obviously it is DeCastro he has started and played at a high level on one of the best programs in the country for the last 3 years. The other two not nearly as much. BTW sign Mario Williams who also is sure thing to make an impact it solves the other problem. Further more Bunting has DeCastro listed as 6th best prospect in the draft. Way too many people here are all wrapped up in what Free is getting paid. Put your best 5 people out there and make it work.

[stasheroo]

Originally Posted by cbow44

So what your are telling me, you couldnt find any either. I already knew that. He is Highly regarded but not any more than the Pouncy twins. The only place he is being more highly regarded is here.

No, what I am telling you is that you will find the names Hutchinson and DeCastro linked other than here.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by TheSport78

Hos, if it's true that the Cowboys are more concerned on upgrading the center position in free agency, isn't it pretty much a given that DeCastro will be the target?

Tyron Smith-David DeCastro-Samson Satale-Arkin/Nagy-Doug Free

There are no givens because you cannot simply decide what you are going to do and all other 31 teams be damned as if they are not there.

Interior OL is going to be one of 3 focuses this off season. One or two needs are going to take back seats. This all depends on how the Combines unfold, how Free Agency begins, and above all how the Draft plays out. I think there will be some movement in the top 10 that puts DeCastro in our laps. At that point we'd be crazy not to take him regardless of what we do in FA.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by cbow44

If DeCastro is truly the best guard prospect to come along since Steve Hutchinson. A potential hall of fame player then he is hands down the choice. The problem I have, I havent seen that written by anyone other than the posters on here.

If you check the scouting reports that use comparisons you will find exactly that comparison. I haven't seen him compared to any other player.

[RS12]

Originally Posted by Hostile

There are no givens because you cannot simply decide what you are going to do and all other 31 teams be damned as if they are not there.

Interior OL is going to be one of 3 focuses this off season. One or two needs are going to take back seats. This all depends on how the Combines unfold, how Free Agency begins, and above all how the Draft plays out. I think there will be some movement in the top 10 that puts DeCastro in our laps. At that point we'd be crazy not to take him regardless of what we do in FA.

That movement with any luck will be Tanneyhill. Hope he has a great combine.