I've listened to Stephen Jones talk twice

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by jterrell

when compared with drafting non-talent it does.

overall qcar was not a good pick.
compared to the average lacewell era selection he was great value....

I didn't love him JT. I think that our QB situation drove that pick 100% and I understand that. Doesn't mean it was a good pick thou. I have no problems with his athletic ability, that was there. However, he was inaccurate, had poor mechanics and he struggled picking up the offense. Add to that, and this is really the biggest reason, he had a known substance problem when we drafted him and we still bet on him. No way would I ever draft a QB in the 2nd round whom I expected to be our starter with this issue. I think we were asking for trouble and we got it. JMO

[Kangaroo]

Originally Posted by TheSport78

Then can you explain Quincy Carter, Felix Jones, Jason Williams, Robert Brewster, etc.? lol

Yes QC was old school Lacewell who is no longer here and explain to me every other team that has busted draft picks including the all mighty Patriots who Brain just showed could not draft a TE if their life depended on it and then finaly got it correct

Baltimore Ravens also busted on picks happens what you need is the hits to be good

[TheSport78]

Originally Posted by jterrell

when compared with drafting non-talent it does.

overall qcar was not a good pick.
compared to the average lacewell era selection he was great value....

Quincy Carter and great should be words never close to each other.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Originally Posted by TheSport78

Quincy Carter and great should be words never close to each other.

That's not true...let me give you an example...

Quincy Carter is a great example of how not to look in photographs...

[TheSport78]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

That's not true...let me give you an example...

Quincy Carter is a great example of how not to look in photographs...

[jjktkk]

Originally Posted by stasheroo

I don't dislike the player and I know he'd be a nice addition, but I just think the team has much bigger needs, especially with how little production they've gotten out of that #2 TE when they have drafted them.

Again, on my own list, plenty of other needs come up before #2 TE does.

Your 1st two positions on your mock were addressed in fa. Nowhere on your mock do I see a TE. TE is not a big need, but it is a need imo, because I don't think Phillips is the same player he was, prior to his knee injury.

[jjktkk]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

New England has...but it was only recently with Gronk and Hernandez...prior to that they were drafting TEs like wild fire over the years. So I guess it is the idea that sooner or later they get it right which seems to be what the cowboys are trying to do...sooner or later get it right. But let's not act like New England is getting it right all the time concerning drafting TEs for the two te set when in truth they just got it right after many tries.

From 2000 to last year they have draft 10 TES. They have drafted two TEs in the same draft at least twice. Have spent 4 picks in the first 3 rounds for TEs and until the Gronk/Hernandez draft they have pretty much missed on the TEs they have drafted. The only other known names from those 10 TEs they have drafted is Ben Watson and Daniel Graham and they both have a combined total of 496 Recs for 5765 yards and 50 TDS....while Gronk/Hernandez already have a combined total of 256 rec for 3346 yards and 40 TDs.

[View Full Quote]Not exactly a model of drafting genius with Two TE sets until they finally did it with Gronk and Hernandez recently.

Because of the Pats success with the 2 TE offense, it seems that is what Garrett and the Boys want to emulate. They tried it with Witten and Bennett with little success before going back to a traditional offense with a FB. It still seems though, that they want to run a 2 TE offense with the attempt to sign Davis this year and the drafting Fleener rumors.

[DFWJC]

I don't want a TE in Rd1 unless it's our second 1st rounder taken and it's Fleener (pick 30 or so). Even then, it would not be my preference.

The TE positional value is really rising. As we know, this is a copycat league and NE, NO, SF and others are showing what fast athletic TEs can do....and that you can use more than one.

In our case, we have two stud WRs but no proven slot guy. There is room in some of the more basic packages to insert an extra TE.

Just please, not our 1st pick. We have greater needs.

[jjktkk]

Originally Posted by TheSport78

Jerry should not get a pass on the Felix pick. He hasn't been solid. He's been the definition of a frustrating draft pick with "potential." And considering the other RB's that were on the board (Chris Johnson, Ray Rice, Jamaal Charles), it's a huge miss. Another example of Jerry listening to his coaches and not his scouts.

Love your hindsight analysis. No of those rbs you mentioned were rated higher than Felix when Jerry and co. drafted Jones.

[jjktkk]

Originally Posted by TheSport78

Does that justify Jerry taking Quincy Carter at ALL?

And what?!? Quincy was our best pick? That was thee biggest reach I've ever seen with the Cowboys.

How long have you've been watching the Cowboys? Look up Shante Carver, David LaFleur, Ebenezer Ekuban, and Kavika Pittman, to name a few.

[TheSport78]

Originally Posted by jjktkk

Love your hindsight analysis. No of those rbs you mentioned were rated higher than Felix when Jerry and co. drafted Jones.

Actually some of those RB's were rated higher. I have read that Chris Johnson and Mendenhall were both rated higher than Felix.

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by TheSport78

Actually some of those RB's were rated higher. I have read that Chris Johnson and Mendenhall were both rated higher than Felix.

With their reasoning for taking Felix I dont see how they could've taken him over Chris Johnson if they had Johnson rated higher.

Picking him over Mendenhall makes sense but not Johnson.

[jjktkk]

Originally Posted by TheSport78

I'm pretty sure Quincy was projected to go in the 4th round area. It was a HUGE reach. It makes it that WORSE of a pick because Aikman had just retired and we were looking for our next franchise QB. Jerry probably watched Michael Vick get selected #1 overall and said, hmm Quincy can do that. Fail!

Jerry was desperate for a qb and reached for Carter. Did you know Quincy Carter was a higher rated qb than Vick, coming out of high school? Obviously Vick was/is a much better qb, just thought I would pass that tidbit of info on to you.

[jjktkk]

Originally Posted by TheSport78

Actually some of those RB's were rated higher. I have read that Chris Johnson and Mendenhall were both rated higher than Felix.

No, sorry your wrong. Go to scout.com, and walterfootball.com and look at the 2008 top-rated rbs from college.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

With their reasoning for taking Felix I dont see how they could've taken him over Chris Johnson if they had Johnson rated higher.

Picking him over Mendenhall makes sense but not Johnson.

CJ was even smaller than Felix and struggle dot stay healthy at East Carolina.
Mendenhall had a bad rap even at Illinois and teams thought he was soft.

Rice was slow.

8. Chris Johnson, RB East Carolina
4.29. For some reason, while everyone was oohing and ahhing over Darren McFadden's workout, along with the size/speed dynamic of Rashard Mendenhall and Jonathan Stewart, and rightly so, Johnson ripped off a 4.29 in 40 at the Combine. One of the best all-around backs in America last year rushing for 1,423 yards and 17 touchdowns, catching 37 passes for 528 yards and six touchdowns, and returning 1,009 yards worth of kicks, he can do it all. However, he was held to 29 yards and a touchdown on ten carries against Virginia Tech and ran for 76 yards and a score on 14 carries against West Virginia. The biggest problem is his size at around 5-10 and under 200 yards; he's not built like an every-down runner. However, he's a dream of a third down back who'll have to be a complementary back.
CFN Projection: Late Second Round To Early Third Round

9. Matt Forte, RB Tulane
Forte is the back for those who believe breakaway speed is overrated. After all, how many backs tear off 40-yard runs? Forte doesn't have great straight-line speed, but he's a strong inside runner who was extremely dependable last season rushing for 2,127 yards and 23 touchdowns for the Green Wave. A big runner who pounds away, he's a positive carry every time he touches the ball. If you're looking for a thrilling back who'll make the highlight reel, that's not Forte. If you're looking for a steady, dependable all-around back who can catch, pound, and work his tail off, that's Forte.
CFN Projection: Third Round

6. Ray Rice, RB Rutgers
It all depends on how much of a chance someone is willing to give him. Rice has a lot of tread on the tires. A LOT. On the plus side, he proved he could handle a big workload and was ultra-durable. However, if you're a believer that a back only has so many carries in him, the 935 total touches in three years at Rutgers might mean a short shelf live. Who cares about five years from now? For the next few seasons, Rice could turn into a productive, consistent runner at a high level if he's allowed to pound away. His size, around 5-8, could be a positive as he'll dart in and out of the line behind his big blockers. Much faster than he looked on the field, he has the speed to hit the home run, but that's just gravy. He'll be a consistent positive-yardage machine if he's a featured back for a stretch. He's not the type to get a few carries here and there; he'll need a few series here and there.
CFN Projection: Late Second Round

Felix:
4. Felix Jones, RB Arkansas
He'll be the back for someone trying to get a speed runner on the cheap. Don't want to pay the high price to get a McFadden, Mendenhall or Stewart? Then wait for Jones and roll the dice on a jack-of-all-trades back with a ton of tread on the tires and devastating breakaway speed. The big question is whether or not he's a workhorse No. 1 back. He wasn't in college and he's not built like a 25-carry-a-game NFL runner. Ideally he fills a Reggie Bush role on a team with a Deuce McAllister and is used to run and catch on the outside and not between the tackles. With his ability to go from 0-to-60 in a heartbeat, he's the type of player who makes offensive coordinators drool at the possibilities. He'll be a fun toy to play with.
CFN Projection: Late First Round To Early Second Round