Is Brockers Too Risky at 14? - Page 6 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

SMCowboy · 04-24-2012

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Originally Posted by stasheroo

Even with the names you mentioned, I don't see how any of them were worth the #14 pick either.

Henderson was a 4-3 defensive tackle and Olshansky was drafted at pick #35 of the second round?

Again, I'll take a guy compared to Steve Hutchinson over a guy compared to Olshansky myself!

Yeah, that is a good comparison, compare Brockers at what he is at his worst. To what many think DeCastro will become.

If you want to have a true apples to apples comparison, compare Brockers to what many think he can and will become then compare Richard Seymour to Steve Hutchinson.

You are right, Michael Brockers "the bust" (aka Igor Olshansky) is not worthy of the #14 pick, but he still absolutely is someone that you want on your team. And when I was talking Igor Olshansky, I was talking about what respected NFL minds think is the worst that Michael Brockers will become is. If he does develop his pass rushing skills which many think he will, then you have yourself a Richard Seymour or Calais Campbell.

**BrAinPaiNt** · 04-24-2012

I wonder if this "interest" in Brockers is real or just a ruse put out there to try and get Philly to trade ahead of us to take him so another player can fall.

Word is Philly really likes him and if we don't take him, they will. Seen a video of him on ESPN or NFLN and they were asking him about elevating his pass rush game and he said he is training with one of the Philly Coaches (Dline coach? do not remember the coach's name).

So maybe, just maybe, this brockers talk is nothing more than Smoke in the hopes of having another player taking and leaving another player to fall to us.

One thing that keeps coming back to me is Rob Ryan, early in the process, saying he is only looking at DBs. I imagine he was probably told to shut it after that comment as we have not heard much of a peep since that time.

ddh33 · 04-24-2012

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Originally Posted by stasheroo

And don't we have too many guys fitting that description already?

Exactly. And someone else already made the Bobby Carpenter connection too. Carpenter, as a bust, is still a role player in the NFL.

I just want something more than a role player.

If Brockers does become the pick, I will be rooting that he becomes more than that. I am just skeptical.

The30YardSlant · 04-24-2012

Brockers was only slightly more noticeable n film than Poe, and pretty much everyone believes he will bust.

I just don't want another Marcus Spears.

cowboy_ron · 04-24-2012

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Originally Posted by CATCH17

The Cowboys will pick him before they pick Decastro so start getting used to Brockers.

That would be disappointing

GloryDaysRBack · 04-24-2012

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Originally Posted by The30YardSlant

Brockers was only slightly more noticeable n film than Poe, and pretty much everyone believes he will bust.

I just don't want another Marcus Spears.

Everyone who doesn't know what they are talking about..all the professionals love him

stasheroo · 04-24-2012

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Originally Posted by SMCowboy

Yeah, that is a good comparison, compare Brockers at what he is at his worst. To what many think DeCastro will become.

If you want to have a true apples to apples comparison, compare Brockers to what many think he can and will become then compare Richard Seymour to Steve Hutchinson.

Can you show me a quote of anyone saying that? Thanks in advance!

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You are right, Michael Brockers "the bust" (aka Igor Olshansky) is not worthy of the #14 pick, but he still absolutely is someone that you want on your team. And when I was talking Igor Olshansky, I was talking about what respected NFL minds think is the worst that Michael Brockers will become is. If he does develop his pass rushing skills which many think he will, then you have yourself a Richard Seymour or Calais Campbell.

Again, please show me quotes where folks are saying this because I have not seen any. Thanks!

stasheroo · 04-24-2012

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Originally Posted by GloryDaysRBack

Everyone who doesn't know what they are talking about..all the professionals love him

'The professionals', as in the folks who brought you Cowboys Draft 2009.

Yep, how dare we question them!?!?!?!?

GloryDaysRBack · 04-24-2012

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Originally Posted by stasheroo

'The professionals', as in the folks who brought you Cowboys Draft 2009.

Yep, how dare we question them!?!?!?!?

Who said anything about Dallas?

How do you even know Dallas likes him? You don't

stasheroo · 04-24-2012

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Originally Posted by GloryDaysRBack

Who said anything about Dallas?

That's what I'm interested in. The Dallas Cowboys. Any other team can take him and it won't bother me nearly as much. In fact, let the Eagles take him at #15, then I'll know he's a bust.

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How do you even know Dallas likes him? You don't

Unfiortunately, these are thr rumors that are floating around.

I sure hope they don't.

Not at 14 anyway.

The30YardSlant · 04-24-2012

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Originally Posted by GloryDaysRBack

Everyone who doesn't know what they are talking about..all the professionals love him

Seriously? Everyone agrees Poe did very little on the field, anyne who wants him feels that way solely based on his potential and freakish athleticism for a man his size.

burmafrd · 04-24-2012

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Originally Posted by GloryDaysRBack

Everyone who doesn't know what they are talking about..all the professionals love him

BS. You are not doing your case any good with ridiculous assertions like that.

SMCowboy · 04-24-2012

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Originally Posted by stasheroo

Can you show me a quote of anyone saying that? Thanks in advance!

Again, please show me quotes where folks are saying this because I have not seen any. Thanks!

I don't have a printed quote but instead a video, but here is Charlie Casserly talking about the safest picks in the NFL Draft. Watch the top video on this link (Safest picks in the NFL).

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000...o-days-wrap-up

Does he ever specifically say Igor Olshansky, no he doesn't. But he is just one of the first guys that come to mind, that have played along time in the NFL strictly as a run stuffer.

InmanRoshi · 04-24-2012

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

Just a point, anyone can bust. Remember when Bobby Carpenter was the "safest" pick we could make?

Yeah, I've heard the "safest pick in the draft description used on AJ Hawk, Aaron Curry, Robert Gallery and Tony Mandarich. That doesn't mean much to me.

marchetta · 04-24-2012

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Originally Posted by theogt

Wouldn't draft him even at 45. He has no upside.

I disagree. He's the best run-stuffer in the draft. He's absolutely immovable at the LOS, unless he's double-teamed. And, even then, he's tough to move. He's young (~20). He came to LSU as a TE, and has put on over 70lbs, and is just getting used to his body. If he could develop some pass rush moves, and use his hands better, he could have a HUGE upside. At worse, we'd be getting an immovable run-defender. At best, a 3-down defender that can dominate against both the run and the pass.