Orson Charles and Phillip Blake - Dallas Cowboys Forum

RamziD · 04-28-2012

This is who I've settled on for tonight. It might change by tomorrow. I don't know if I can wait another 10 hours

InmanRoshi · 04-28-2012

Im with you on Charles, but I really don't see the point in Phillip Blake. He's not ready to play right away, and we already got more project interior OL than we know what to do with and he'll be a year behind them. There's no point in drafting an interior OL just for the sake of saying you drafted an interior OL.

a_minimalist · 04-28-2012

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Im with you on Charles, but I really don't see the point in Phillip Blake. He's not ready to play right away, and we already got more project interior OL than we know what to do with and he'll be a year behind them. There's no point in drafting an interior OL just for the sake of saying you drafted an interior OL.

That's a very good point!!!

RamziD · 04-28-2012

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Im with you on Charles, but I really don't see the point in Phillip Blake. He's not ready to play right away, and we already got more project interior OL than we know what to do with and he'll be a year behind them. There's no point in drafting an interior OL just for the sake of saying you drafted an interior OL.

You don't think he can beat out Costa or Kowalski? I mean, if we can get a starting OC and Nagy/Arkin/Livings/Bernadeau fight it out for the OG positions, then I think we have a pretty good OL going into this season.

InmanRoshi · 04-28-2012

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You don't think he can beat out Costa or Kowalski? I mean, if we can get a starting OC and Nagy/Arkin/Livings/Bernadeau fight it out for the OG positions, then I think we have a pretty good OL going into this season.

No, I really don't think he can beat out Costa or Kowalski (and Nagy and Arkin are competing for a spot there). It's a horrible, horrible, horrible center draft. Aside from Konz, there was nobody ready to step in and play Day 1. So when a guy can't even crack the 3rd round in a draft when teams are looking high and low for anyone who can play the position, that should tell you something bout what he is.

Throw in the fact that he'll be coming in from a college spead offense and will have to adjust to playing pro style ball (Danny Watkins struggled horribly last year), throw in the fact that he's one or two years behind those guys in NFL strength and conditioning and learning the Cowboys offense, and throw in the fact that he's got the reputation of being lazy and not a self starter .... I see a guy who has a good chance to be a training camp cut due to a numbers game.

Im with you on Charles .. he can make the roster as a 2nd/3rd TE and would be good value there.

RamziD · 04-28-2012

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No, I really don't think he can beat out Costa or Kowalski (and Nagy and Arkin are competing for a spot there). It's a horrible, horrible, horrible center draft. Aside from Konz, there was nobody ready to step in and play Day 1. So when a guy can't even crack the 3rd round in a draft when teams are looking high and low for anyone who can play the position, that should tell you something bout what he is.

Throw in the fact that he'll be coming in from a college spead offense and will have to adjust to playing pro style ball (Danny Watkins struggled horribly last year), throw in the fact that he's one or two years behind those guys in NFL strength and conditioning and learning the Cowboys offense, and throw in the fact that he's got the reputation of being lazy and not a self starter .... I see a guy who has a good chance to be a training camp cut due to a numbers game.

Solid points. I don't claim to be anywhere near a draft expert. I just go by what I read from reputable posters on this forum and scouting sites. The point is, I think everyone can agree that we need an upgrade at OC. If the Cowboys already have a plan for that which doesn't include using a draft pick on one, then that's fine.

RamziD · 04-28-2012

Yeah, the Charles pick seems to make perfect sense. We obviously love using 2 TE sets and Charles is effective in both the passing game and at blocking. This helps out our OL and, ultimately, Tony Romo. Win-win.

InmanRoshi · 04-28-2012

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Solid points. I don't claim to be anywhere near a draft expert. I just go by what I read from reputable posters on this forum and scouting sites. The point is, I think everyone can agree that we need an upgrade at OC. If the Cowboys already have a plan for that which doesn't include using a draft pick on one, then that's fine.

I'm for an upgrade over OC, but unfortunately the pickens were slim this year. I think everyone in this draft after the 2nd round is pretty much the equivalent of what we already have. In business project management you learn just throwing bodies at a problem doesn't solve it. It's like getting 9 different women pregnant hoping you can get a baby in a month.

The best chance for an upgrade is for someone in house to take a huge stride and claim the job away from Costa. Callahan should have no sentimental favorites or pet cats among this bunch considering he didn't bring them in, so let the best man win.

AbeBeta · 04-28-2012

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This is who I've settled on for tonight. It might change by tomorrow. I don't know if I can wait another 10 hours

Charles is not a great blocker. I expect we look blocker first. He's more a decent receiver who needs to improve his blocking. He's a good pick but not really for us. We don't need more guys who need to get the ball.

I'm feeling more of a Macey Brooks/Wane McGarity pick for the first 4th, followed by a near miss on a center then a reach for a Derrick Lassic type

**Idgit** · 04-28-2012

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No, I really don't think he can beat out Costa or Kowalski (and Nagy and Arkin are competing for a spot there). It's a horrible, horrible, horrible center draft. Aside from Konz, there was nobody ready to step in and play Day 1. So when a guy can't even crack the 3rd round in a draft when teams are looking high and low for anyone who can play the position, that should tell you something bout what he is.

Throw in the fact that he'll be coming in from a college spead offense and will have to adjust to playing pro style ball (Danny Watkins struggled horribly last year), throw in the fact that he's one or two years behind those guys in NFL strength and conditioning and learning the Cowboys offense, and throw in the fact that he's got the reputation of being lazy and not a self starter .... I see a guy who has a good chance to be a training camp cut due to a numbers game.

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Blake would immediately challenge for a starting job in Dallas. He's one of the top 3 players at his position and was slated to go in between the third and fourth rounds. I haven't heard anything about him having a reputation for being lazy, either. Just a good pass-blocker and someone who's going to need to develop more strength at the next level.

theogt · 04-28-2012

Yes, there's absolutely no doubt that Blake would immediately start in Dallas. Go back and watch every single RGIII video (if you can stomach it -- because he's good and will cause us problems for years). Blake is a legit week 1 starter.

SaltwaterServr · 04-28-2012

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Yes, there's absolutely no doubt that Blake would immediately start in Dallas. Go back and watch every single RGIII video (if you can stomach it -- because he's good and will cause us problems for years). Blake is a legit week 1 starter.

Gotta go with you on this one. Blake's been my pet cat since Konz got picked up.

On a side note, has anyone looked at what Pittsburgh interior OL looks like now? They could be a nasty bunch.

RamziD · 04-28-2012

You can add on to my list Tank Carder, Jarius Wright, and Braylon Broughton in rounds 5-7.

Gaede · 04-28-2012

I like Blake, but I agree that Watkins struggles last year are a little concerning. Then again, he did move from LT to G. Blake, obviously, stays at C. So it's a different scenario.

Would like Charles in this round too.

silverbear · 04-28-2012

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This is who I've settled on for tonight. It might change by tomorrow. I don't know if I can wait another 10 hours

Not a bad call, though there are some tight ends in the 5th and 6th round range I like as well...

Lardarius Green, Louisiana-Lafayette... poor man's Jay Novacek, likely 4th round pick...

Rhett Ellison, USC... loaded with all kinds of intangibles that Garrett likes, he'll go in the 5th or 6th round...

Taylor Thompson, SMU... converting from DE, he intrigues me a lot... solid 6th round prospect...

James Hanna, Oklahoma... I hate drafting Sooners, but he has stretch the field ability... another likely 6th rounder...

Derek Carrier, Beloit... played WR in college, will make the big jump to TE and the NFL... a 7th round prospect...

Garrett Celek, Michigan State... the younger brother of Eagles' TE Brent Celek... another 7th rounder...

With this wealth of talent at TE available later, I think I'd wait to draft my TE... instead, I'd either look at NT Hebron Fangupo from BYU (since all the critics of the Crawford pick are whining about how we desperately need a NT), or one of the linebackers who might be on the board-- ILB James-Michael Johnson from Nevada, OLB Keenan Robinson from Texas, OLB Cam Johnson from Virginia, or OLB Jonathon Massaquoi from Troy...