Speculation: FSU and Clemson to big 12?

[jobberone]

Originally Posted by DFWJC

As I've been saying all along....My "rumor sources" say otherwise.
There is a loud contingent that does feel the way you say but they are a vocal minority vastly outnumbered.
Squeeky wheel thing.

SEC? yes
Big 12? hell no

FSU should have taken the SEC offer years ago. It would have been a decent fit. Florida didn't want them in right before FSU went to the ACC long ago, but they were completely overruled. Bowden actually wanted the ACC over the SEC b/c he saw a chance to dominate. The FSU president wanted the ACC b/c is was vastly superior in other areas...especially academics.

I guess it did get them them 2 national titles--they may not have gotten them if they were in the SEC.
But now I think you are correct in that they would prefer the SEC.
Big 12...that is a whole differtn story an many levels.

[View Full Quote]Clemson is harder to read. I'm not sure SEC is an option at all for them. The SEC would before representation from a new (and fairly large) state in North Carolina or maybe Virginia, though they are in no need or rush at all to expand.
Clemson in the Big 12 would seem really odd, but never say never I guess.

Neither one is getting in the SEC. Clemson esp because FL, SC, and GA have agreed to exclude them and will vote together. They don't need it right now as there isn't a push to go after either or both.

I don't know much about the B12 side of things just a little of what's going on over here. Most think it's dead but I still think there could be movement depending on ND.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by jobberone

Neither one is getting in the SEC. Clemson esp because FL, SC, and GA have agreed to exclude them and will vote together. They don't need it right now as there isn't a push to go after either or both.

I don't know much about the B12 side of things just a little of what's going on over here. Most think it's dead but I still think there could be movement depending on ND.

Every major columnist or reporter I follow on twitter including plenty from Clemson and FSU believe expansion is happening for those schools. Clemson talks B10, Big 12 and SEC but they are talking leaving the ACC non-stop.

Swofford was the first major AD in history to attend a school's BOT meeting. Why did he do that? I mean was he just there for fun or did Clemson have a lot of questions for him? Sources leaked right away that he promised ND. If he had to promise ND to calm down Clemson what does that tell folks?

FSU is going to take the largest pile of money. They have no real choice. They are being bled to death right now. They can not compete with the facilities and faculties at SEC schools which is who they battle for recruits.


The only hold up is ND. After that is all about the Big 12 shuffling and the politics of appeasing everyone's scheduling desires as best possible.

This is all very simple. Big money takes little money. Every time.

The ACC is the new Big East.

[jterrell]

btw, latest bomb to drop is uva may well be headed to big 10 to replace psu.

psu will get severe penalties tomorrow and apparently uva, nd, rutgers all approached by Big 10. uva seen as most likely to go.

my own conjecture: if that happens va tech almost assuredly goes somewhere forcing sec to take them or lose them to big 12.

[jterrell]

http://dudeofwv.blogspot.com/2012/07...d-in-2014.html

Big 12 Set to Expand in 2014

Anonymous sources at WVU and the Big 12 conference have confirmed that the Big 12 plans to expand from 10 to 12 institutions to coincide with the playoff system going into effect in 2014.

Big 12 officials notified several potential candidates via backchannels who had expressed interest earlier in the summer. Those notified include FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Maryland and Miami form the ACC and Louisville from the Big East.

According to sources the Big 12 was able to overcome internal resistance to expansion because the lack of a conference championship game was beginning to bog down the finalization of the agreement between the Big 12 and SEC to meet in a new "Champions Bowl" starting after the 2014 season.

Several Big 12 members had opposed expansion because of questions about divisional alignment, increased travel costs, and scheduling.

Others opposed expansion because they perceived they would have an easier path to the playoffs without having to play in a conference championship game.

The SEC saw it the same way. The lack of a Big 12 conference championship game became a sticking point in the contract because the SEC understood it gave the Big 12 an unfair competitive advantage.

Whatever objections Big 12 members had to expansion were dropped once it was clear a conference championship game was unavoidable.

While there have been no official talks between Florida State University and the Big 12, both have expressed strong mutual interest and it is understood that FSU now has an open invitation to become the 11th member of the Big 12 conference.

Florida State's decision to leave the ACC for the Big 12 will be based on a thorough review of the financial projections provided by the Big 12 detailing estimated revenues from the TV contract, estimates of earnings from a conference championship game, estimates of revenues from the Champions Bowl, and their own internal assessment as to their earnings potential in the Big 12 versus the ACC.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by jterrell

btw, latest bomb to drop is uva may well be headed to big 10 to replace psu.

psu will get severe penalties tomorrow and apparently uva, nd, rutgers all approached by Big 10. uva seen as most likely to go.
.

UVa would only be interested in going to a conference that has good sports and academics (like the ACC), so the Big 10 makes plenty of sense.

[jterrell]

keeping thread bumped with new info as it comes in. if fsu doesn't announce big 12 affiliation by the 15th i'll wear the ACC logo as my avi. i'll be right in the long run but i am not a welcher, lol.

latest is big 12 tv deal will be announced this week. (dodds announced LHN was done which has the big 12 deal as a precursor). it's sitting with the lawyers now.

new big east tv deal said to ecl;ipse ACC deal... wow!!!

The Dude of WV ‏@theDudeofWV

@delawarenole think about this. If FSU stays in the ACC UF, USF and UCF will get more TV money.


5 Aug Matt Hayes Matt Hayes ‏@Matt_HayesSN

No one saw that coming. @UCFSports: Big East TV deal "could exceed value" of ACCs (monetarily and exposure) @NickCarparelli tells 700 WLW ."


5 Aug The Dude of WV The Dude of WV ‏@theDudeofWV

@Jim_Lamar your take on early reports Big East TV deal will eclipse that of ACC's.


5 Aug The Dude of WV The Dude of WV ‏@theDudeofWV

@njknight3 somebody at ESPN has compromising photos of John Swofford.

5 Aug nj knight 3 nj knight 3 ‏@njknight3

@thedudeofwv enjoy RT @UCFSports New BE TV contract "could exceed value" of ACC TV deal monetarily & exposure wise per @NickCarparell.

[jterrell]

Clemson AD leaving.


also

Tuxedo Yoda ‏@TuxedoYoda

The 2 teams the SEC is targeting HEAVILY right now, UVA & UNC. It seems weird, I know, but that is the deal.

[jterrell]

dfwjc,
avi changed.

if you want a different one just shoot it to me.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Originally Posted by jterrell

dfwjc,
avi changed.

if you want a different one just shoot it to me.

Well you honor your bet so I give it to you, although personally I think you should be beaten for wearing an ACC avatar.

On a related note...heard that the ND/ACC relationship has heated up although still only as a partial member. Would not be shocked if ND actually gets football money from the ACC without being a football member.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by jterrell

dfwjc,
avi changed.

if you want a different one just shoot it to me.

Good to see a stand-up guy!
Had no doubt you'd hold up your end though.

Take it until the end of September and we'll call it even.

I'm sure this topic has plenty of legs going forward.

[DFWJC]

Notre Dame to the ACC....except football, of course.

It's a good fit with overall sports and academics. It sounds like they will begin scheduling many new ACC schools (in addition to BC) in football as well.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...e-football-acc

[The30YardSlant]

ACC just announced a new $50 million exit fee for anyone who wants to leave.

So much for FSU and Clemson.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by The30YardSlant

ACC just announced a new $50 million exit fee for anyone who wants to leave.

So much for FSU and Clemson.

True.

You know my take ....they were not leaving anyway.
JMO of couse

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by DFWJC

Notre Dame to the ACC....except football, of course.

It's a good fit with overall sports and academics. It sounds like they will begin scheduling many new ACC schools (in addition to BC) in football as well.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...e-football-acc

Kudos to Swofford! This is what he promised Clemson that kept the ACC alive.

various notes:
The deal they struck actually came from Dodds. It is what he proposed to ND 6-18 months ago to join the Big 12.
Will be interesting to see how the ACC schedules games. With so many schools and a 5 game limit do you just hand ND their choice of games? Or do you take the top 5 finishers from the prior season?
How does the Orange Bowl tie-in look now? Almost guaranteed re-match?

From a ND perspective mark me down as this being insanely stupid. They apparently want to keep USC, Stanford and Navy yearly. Figure they actually keep 2 more schools as well. But they will have 2 California games for recruiting (against tough competition) and little else of value. The Coastal region outside of Virgnia is not heavy in football recruits. ND really needed to recruit Texas to start winning again. Florida is obviously a workable spot too but going against the SEC from the ACC hasn't worked, just as FSU. And now you have two schools trying to do the same thing.

I think this move stabilizes things for now but who knows how long it lasts.


If I am the Big 12 I take USF and Louisville to finish off the Big East. We get to that 4 super conference alignment and ever closer to the top 2 teams from each conference going to the 8 team playoffs.

[jterrell]

various tweets on subject. interesting morning!

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer

Wow ... Kudos to Notre Dame for swindling ANOTHER conference into bringing them in without football being part of the deal.

Dennis Dodd ‏@dennisdoddcbs

No reason for ACC to go to 16. Still 14, technically, if football.


LandThieves ‏@LandThieves

I bet you there is alot of phone tag going on between Uconn/Rutgers /Louisville/Cinci and the ACC/Big12 right now

Fake Dan Beebe ‏@DanBeebe

Whenever I need a good laugh, I just look at the Big East's membership timeline: http://bit.ly/Oq0Lzy

Cory Fravel ‏@CFravel247

Source told me Notre Dame will bring an extra 1 million per ACC school. ((( jt note---holy crap that's it???)))

Dennis Dodd ‏@dennisdoddcbs

ND played four ACC teams last year, not going to be that hard.

CBSSports.com ‏@CBSSports

Notre Dame to the ACC could open the door for another Big East school to make the jump: http://cbsprt.co/NDBBall

Chuck Carlton ‏@ChuckCarltonDMN

Yes, the devil is in the details on the ACC's $50M exit fee, but that would sure look to lock in Florida State, others.

Fran Fraschilla ‏@franfraschilla

Wondering if Louisville is next shoe to drop in conference realignment.