Update: Texas Dad Beats His Daughter’s Molester to Death *Post 286*

[JBond]

Originally Posted by jimnabby

Seriously? You think all initial newspaper reports are perfect and that the details in them should never raise questions?

And where exactly did I make any claims to expertise? But yeah, it seems to me from things I've read about many other cases (victim testimony, etc.) that child molesters generally take great pains to make sure they're alone with the kids. Not sure why that would be a controversial thought.

The story as reported does seem a bit fishy to me

Fishy? Controversial? Oh well. I thought you might have some real world experience when you declared it fishy. Reading the occasional newspaper article is the total of your expertise on the subject matter. About what I expected abby.

I am still curious why you believe the reporter may not have the facts correct. Either you believe the reporter made a mistake or the father is lying.

abby is a fishy guy. Do you always declare that reports of molesters are fishy or only when they get caught and killed?

[WV Cowboy]

I am sitting here reading through this thread.

It came in my mind that if I caught some 40 yr old man showing his genitals to my little four yr old daughter, I might want to kill him.

But if I walked in on him molesting her, I am afraid I would react as if he were a rattlesnake.

I may regret it later, but like a rattlesnake, I would have to kill it so it would never bite anyone again.

Also, it came to mind, .. perhaps this perve fought back and he killed him in self-defense.

Either way he is a hero.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Originally Posted by JBond

Fishy? Controversial? Oh well. I thought you might have some real world experience when you declared it fishy. Reading the occasional newspaper article is the total of your expertise on the subject matter. About what I expected abby.

I am still curious why you believe the reporter may not have the facts correct. Either you believe the reporter made a mistake or the father is lying.

abby is a fishy guy. Do you always declare that reports of molesters are fishy or only when they get caught and killed?

With the way media works today...I think it is perfectly rational to find almost any story fish today.

How many times have we seen it...where a newspaper, website or news show throw out a story and everyone gets in an uproar but as the story continue to unfolds in the following days we find out that the news source got it wrong. Whether they did so unintentionally or due to intentionally being bias in the reporting?

Seen WAAAAY too many instances of this from news sources in the past few years.

[jnday]

Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan

It shouldn't be legal. You shouldn't be allowed to take the law into your own hands.

In today's justice system the criminal often seems to have more rights than the victim. In this case the father made sure that the molester could not hide behind a legal system that could very well have let him go free. I no longer trust the legal system to deal out justice.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I don't think many here could control their anger or actions if something like this happened to them. I don't think many fathers, relatives or even if you are just good friends of the family and see it happening to one of their children would be able to control their actions in this type of situation.

For this very reason I think most agree that the guy will never serve time for this situation and will be innocent of any charges. I doubt there is anyone here who believes a jury will find this man guilty.

Now with that said...it does not mean there should not be an investigation, arrest if need be, trial if need be.

And just because someone says that there should be an investigation, arrest or possible trial...it does not mean they support rapists and molestation and saying that is silly.

Nor does it mean that just because they think there should be an investigation, arrest or trial that they think the guy should be put in prison for doing what he did or that they don't think they would do the same.

Sometimes people just believe the law should be followed and sometimes following the law means going through some processes that eventually will result in one being found not guilty.

Just something to consider that just because someone thinks the process of the law should be followed it does not mean they think rapist and child molestation is OK.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Originally Posted by jnday

In today's justice system the criminal often seems to have more rights than the victim. In this case the father made sure that the molester could not hide behind a legal system that could very well have let him go free. I no longer trust the legal system to deal out justice.

I don't think the father was thinking that if he killed the guy there was no way he would go free from the justice system...I think that is a stretch. I think the father was in complete rage and protection mode, and rightfully so, and went from there.

As far as trusting the justice system or not. Whether or not you like the law or not is not justification of refusing to follow the law. I am NOT saying that what he did was wrong...I am saying that just because someone does not trust the legal system it makes it ok to ignore it and do as you please.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

I don't think the father was thinking that if he killed the guy there was no way he would go free from the justice system...I think that is a stretch. I think the father was in complete rage and protection mode, and rightfully so, and went from there.

As far as trusting the justice system or not. Whether or not you like the law or not is not justification of refusing to follow the law. I am NOT saying that what he did was wrong...I am saying that just because someone does not trust the legal system it makes it ok to ignore it and do as you please.

I agree. I think certain animal instincts kick in when protecting your child. I doubt the cops the courts or the justice system in any way shape or form entered his mind. His little girl was being attacked and he did what most parents would have done.

[jnday]

Originally Posted by Kingsmith88

Sounds an awful lot like Nightmare on Elm St. Anyway, what they did was wrong and they should have gone to jail for it. In those times men were allowed to be lynched for the color of their skin. Don't count me in as one of those people who glamorize those times.

These actions were a case of men standing up and protecting their children and community from a child molester. What should people do when the justice system clearly fails? Should the criminal continue to live like he has done nothing wrong?

[rkell87]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

I don't think the father was thinking that if he killed the guy there was no way he would go free from the justice system...I think that is a stretch. I think the father was in complete rage and protection mode, and rightfully so, and went from there.

As far as trusting the justice system or not. Whether or not you like the law or not is not justification of refusing to follow the law. I am NOT saying that what he did was wrong...I am saying that just because someone does not trust the legal system it makes it ok to ignore it and do as you please.

that is not necessarily true, you have the right to not follow an unjust law, because an unjust law is not a law at all. I'm not saying that is the case here just pointing it out

[big dog cowboy]

Originally Posted by jnday

I no longer trust the legal system to deal out justice.

Been hearing that for decades.

[jnday]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

I don't think the father was thinking that if he killed the guy there was no way he would go free from the justice system...I think that is a stretch. I think the father was in complete rage and protection mode, and rightfully so, and went from there.

As far as trusting the justice system or not. Whether or not you like the law or not is not justification of refusing to follow the law. I am NOT saying that what he did was wrong...I am saying that just because someone does not trust the legal system it makes it ok to ignore it and do as you please.

I'm sure the father was so emotional that he could not think straight. Most of us would be in the same emotional state as he was. I can not imagine the thoughts that went thru his mind.
To your second point, of course a person should not do as they please, but I sure don't have a problem when people get justice on their own after the legal system fails. If Nicole Brown Simpson's family would have took OJ out, I would be the first to cheer them on.

[JBond]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

With the way media works today...I think it is perfectly rational to find almost any story fish today.

How many times have we seen it...where a newspaper, website or news show throw out a story and everyone gets in an uproar but as the story continue to unfolds in the following days we find out that the news source got it wrong. Whether they did so unintentionally or due to intentionally being bias in the reporting?

Seen WAAAAY too many instances of this from news sources in the past few years.

Hi BP...I agree the media often makes mistakes in their initial reporting. If that is all he said I would have not taken issue with it. If he said lets wait for all the facts, that would have been fine. That is not how I interpreted his comments.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by rkell87

that is not necessarily true, you have the right to not follow an unjust law, because an unjust law is not a law at all. I'm not saying that is the case here just pointing it out

If it is a law regardless if you think it is just or not you will still pay the penalty for your own actions. There are laws I don't agree with but abide by the law. In this case the law gives you the right to use deadly force

[BrAinPaiNt]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

If it is a law regardless if you think it is just or not you will still pay the penalty for your own actions. There are laws I don't agree with but abide by the law. In this case the law gives you the right to use deadly force

The only time I think I have heard that it was ok to not follow the law is with the Uniform Code of Military Justice that says you do not have to follow an unlawful order...and that is military law not civilian law.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by jnday

I'm sure the father was so emotional that he could not think straight. Most of us would be in the same emotional state as he was. I can not imagine the thoughts that went thru his mind.
To your second point, of course a person should not do as they please, but I sure don't have a problem when people get justice on their own after the legal system fails. If Nicole Brown Simpson's family would have took OJ out, I would be the first to cheer them on.

True but they would have been imprisoned for their action. Even in this case if the father beat the guy up then took him out back and hung him from a tree I doubt he would be protected by the law. Because his action took place while the crime was being committed he then is protected by the law for the actions he took.