Dispelling the Myth with Jerry Jones

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Same five or so posters who still maintain that Jones was just a signpost when Johnson was here. It's not even worth discussing with them.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

Same five or so posters who still maintain that Jones was just a signpost when Johnson was here. It's not even worth discussing with them.

Jimmy had more input on the draft for certain. The whole Walsh thing showed that.

[TwoDeep3]

Originally Posted by cowboy_ron

Awesome memory twodeep

Ron, I owe it to Geritol liberally mixed with a single malt over ice.

[TwoDeep3]

Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

Same five or so posters who still maintain that Jones was just a signpost when Johnson was here. It's not even worth discussing with them.

I guess that's because you have nothing to discuss since that was just about what it was.

When Jimbo had it in his contract he made personnel decisions the rest of the debate becomes moot about how much Jerry had to do with the beginnings of his tenure.

Except one point, Fuzzy. I live in Dallas and have discussions about the Cowboys quite a lot with fans. And the majority, and I mean vast majority think Jerry meddles and is the reason we lost the shiny on the star.

[CCBoy]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

I guess that's because you have nothing to discuss since that was just about what it was.

When Jimbo had it in his contract he made personnel decisions the rest of the debate becomes moot about how much Jerry had to do with the beginnings of his tenure.

Except one point, Fuzzy. I live in Dallas and have discussions about the Cowboys quite a lot with fans. And the majority, and I mean vast majority think Jerry meddles and is the reason we lost the shiny on the star.

Applied, that wasn't the exact function. It was understood from the start, that was the arrangement in the works.

When putting things together, Jerry sought Jimmy. Not the other way around. At the start, Jerry had to bring the team's financial picture into solvency. After that was accomplished, the focus shifted. That is the GM/owner format. And that format has proven effective at a high level as well as the best of the differing variety. Not all owners had enough football background to do just that...but that is a different discussion again.

In the presented scenario of both Jimmy and then of the noted, Dan Reeves...it's like this, Gentlemen, in organizations, one either leads, follows, or gets the hell out of the way. But in corporations, one owes a defineable loyalty to his employer. The set up for both situations, wasn't to demean either Jimmy or Reeves, but defining roles. Roles wasn't at issue, but individual egos that wanted to elevate beyond following.

That is another area for debate then.

If one states what you did above, it would lead to the association that one doubts the heart and decisional ability to handle such alternatives. On both scores of Jerry, there was some basis for being valid as well.

TwoDeep, I still believe in the soldier, even if he was sent to the recruiter by a Judge, for being a trashbag. If he passes musters along the way, even if not the most sterling example, he retains that faith by me.

Jerry has accomplished enough, while both arranging for personnel and the team needs, that he has at least earned my perpetual respect. That doesn't tarnish, only my own vanities I push through upon team accomplishments.

You see, the Lombardi is still the top of the line, whether possessed by my Cowboys...but what has already been accomplished doesn't tarnish. And Jerry has that as well.

As to carry frustrations and projecting my own and previous disdain for anything, into today, is another storyline. I was a soldier, and stitches in my lip, a lost finger, and a plate in my other hand...didn't keep me from answering muster and looking optimisticly forward to the challenge and opportunity as well.

Jerry as GM, doesn't hinder that part of the process, although. This organization has a ton of talent, and I actually like the leadership that Jerry has brought in to put it through the tests. The battle still looms, but the actual fight won't be by that Jerry Jones, but by Jason Garrett and his players.

Just being blunt here, once on the field, intent, meddling, or heart or soul of Jerry has very little direct application to the entire thing.

That part I view more along the lines of the sky is falling and rationalization extended too far into view.

An extended formation dominates in youth football. But the same can't be said for the professional arena of the NFL. Where the game is played, the actual effect of a decision by that same Jerry, is diminished tremendously.

Myself, I don't often raise my eye brows into the clouds to gain vantage from Mount Olympus was others might rush to view.

I appreciate that this team has six Lombardis, but it is the sport that attracts this fan. Not whether or not I can shoot out a statisticla analysis of GM efficiency or not. Whether I then apply them or not..depending upon my own mood.

I still enjoy the struggle on the field, and am more alarmed with cowardice under fire there, than a miscalculation by Jerry in a coaches head shed affair.

[CCBoy]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

Jimmy had more input on the draft for certain. The whole Walsh thing showed that.

Myself, I am fond of the drafts at the NCO Club in White Sands...and the then, dollar pizza.

[TwoDeep3]

It may have shifted, CC, but not until Jimmy has left the house.

[CCBoy]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

It may have shifted, CC, but not until Jimmy has left the house.

That is many moons ago...but credit still lingers with Jerry as well, although. And morale ground decreased following failure of Jimmy in Miami with just those grounds provided him.

Even that, though, was many moons removed from the howling on the prarie. And the howling that goes on today...

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

I guess that's because you have nothing to discuss since that was just about what it was.

When Jimbo had it in his contract he made personnel decisions the rest of the debate becomes moot about how much Jerry had to do with the beginnings of his tenure.

Except one point, Fuzzy. I live in Dallas and have discussions about the Cowboys quite a lot with fans. And the majority, and I mean vast majority think Jerry meddles and is the reason we lost the shiny on the star.

Really, even if you were completely clueless and believed Jerry was making personnel decisions during that time, the results after Jimmy left would have told you differently.

They want to believe he did. That's all this is.

[CCBoy]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Really, even if you were completely clueless and believed Jerry was making personnel decisions during that time, the results after Jimmy left would have told you differently.

They want to believe he did. That's all this is.

I guess that Jimmy set up the trade for a certain DE with San Francisco that caused the then Cowboys to turn the corner as well, also.

[TwoDeep3]

Originally Posted by CCBoy

That is many moons ago...but credit still lingers with Jerry as well, although. And morale ground decreased following failure of Jimmy in Miami with just those grounds provided him.

Even that, though, was many moons removed from the howling on the prarie. And the howling that goes on today...

The argument about Jimmy in Miami doesn't equate to the miserable results Jerry has posted for 14 years.

Heck, Jimmy won a Super Bowl here as the talent evaluator even after he left.

Jerry won the best look-alike with Skeletor once in the last 14 years.

[jobberone]

The Never Ending Story

[CCBoy]

Originally Posted by jobberone

The Never Ending Story

Yea, but that it doesn't end...still doesn't make it right. Lol, one could also point out that man evolved from sludge slime as well.

That doesn't change the quality involved in the present Olympics, or upcoming Training Camp.