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**Sarge** · 04-21-2005

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Originally Posted by mperfection

I think it is EXTREMELY IRONIC that the very person you have pictured in your sig was PASSED OVER in FOUR rounds in the 1986 draft, went to a small school named James Madison, played linebacker in college and actually played LB for the team which drafted him that year (they called his position the "elephant" position) before they moved him to DE, whereupon he proceeded to become one of the top DE's in the NFL for a decade.

Thank God we acquired him in a trade in 1992 because I DOUBT very seriously if we would have won that first Super Bowl without him!

Small school, huh?

WHOEVER drafts Demarcus Ware will be getting the second coming of Charles Haley - only faster and potentially more explosive.

If we were talking the 4th round like Haley that would be one thing. We are talking about the 11th pick in the entire shoot-out here with a boatload of holes to fill on this team.

If Ware had even played against 4-5 bigger schools we could gauge him better, but we aren't afforded that luxury.

To say Ware will be faster and more explosive than Charles Haley is ridiculous and pure speculation/wishful thinking.

Let the guy play a down or two against REAL competition before you insult Charles Haleys' legacy for cripe sake.

dbair1967 · 04-21-2005

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Originally Posted by Sarge

Nors and I agree on this one. Too risky. I'm not saying Ware won't work out - I'm saying I wouldn't be willing to gamble on him at 11. We have too many holes to fill for gambling around.

Ware another Charles Haley?

We'll see about that one.

I'm not a Ware advocate, but honestly I dont see Ware as any more risky than Shawn Merriman...and Ware's been more productive...as good an athlete as Merriman is, Ware has tested out better

if we take him at 11 fine, and if we do its obviously because they've got him rated considerably higher...I dont think you'd take a small school guy over the big school guy if all things are equal or close to equal

but like I said, put me down for one who thinks Spears/Pollack will be the two picks in some way/shape/form

David

**Sarge** · 04-21-2005

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Originally Posted by dbair1967

I'm not a Ware advocate, but honestly I dont see Ware as any more risky than Shawn Merriman...and Ware's been more productive...as good an athlete as Merriman is, Ware has tested out better

if we take him at 11 fine, and if we do its obviously because they've got him rated considerably higher...I dont think you'd take a small school guy over the big school guy if all things are equal or close to equal

but like I said, put me down for one who thinks Spears/Pollack will be the two picks in some way/shape/form

David

Simply can't compare their stats - they played against COMPLETELY different talent and that is my ENTIRE point.

It scares me to think that Ware got "pushed around at times" at that level.

mperfection · 04-21-2005

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Originally Posted by Sarge

If we were talking the 4th round like Haley that would be one thing. We are talking about the 11th pick in the entire shoot-out here with a boatload of holes to fill on this team.

If Ware had even played against 4-5 bigger schools we could gauge him better, but we aren't afforded that luxury.

To say Ware will be faster and more explosive than Charles Haley is ridiculous and pure speculation/wishful thinking.

Let the guy play a down or two against REAL competition before you insult Charles Haleys' legacy for cripe sake.

For now, I will take all of this on the chin...just make sure that you have your fork ready to eat all of your words when the time comes - because it will!

mperfection · 04-21-2005

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Originally Posted by Sarge

Simply can't compare their stats - they played against COMPLETELY different talent and that is my ENTIRE point.

It scares me to think that Ware got "pushed around at times" at that level.

And where are Merriman's sack totals to justify his so-called dominance? Outside of his off-the-field issues, there was a lot of speculation about Randy Moss being "too light" to play against physical NFL DB's when he came out, especially coming from a small school. Wow - where's all of that RIDICULOUS commentary now?!?! Ware played 4 years and has the production to back it up. Merriman only played 3 years. Edge - Ware

**Sarge** · 04-21-2005

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Originally Posted by mperfection

For now, I will take all of this on the chin...just make sure that you have your fork ready to eat all of your words when the time comes - because it will!

You obviously still haven't understood my point. I'll leave it at that.

**Sarge** · 04-21-2005

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Originally Posted by mperfection

And where are Merriman's sack totals to justify his so-called dominance? Outside of his off-the-field issues, there was a lot of speculation about Randy Moss being "too light" to play against physical NFL DB's when he came out, especially coming from a small school. Wow - where's all of that RIDICULOUS commentary now?!?! Ware played 4 years and has the production to back it up. Merriman only played 3 years. Edge - Ware

Now you're comparing WR's to DE's and weight issues?

Good grief.

RoysAHitta · 04-21-2005

i cant stop laughing.

zagnut · 04-21-2005

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Originally Posted by mperfection

And where are Merriman's sack totals to justify his so-called dominance? Outside of his off-the-field issues, there was a lot of speculation about Randy Moss being "too light" to play against physical NFL DB's when he came out, especially coming from a small school. Wow - where's all of that RIDICULOUS commentary now?!?! Ware played 4 years and has the production to back it up. Merriman only played 3 years. Edge - Ware

How is it edge: Ware, unless you're his mother?

Go figure that a DE would have more sacks than an OLB. It's very interesting that people always conveniently leave this fact out when comparing Ware vs Merriman. When people view Merriman's highlight video and remark that some of his sacks come in after the play has developed, it's because he is an OLB!

Ware is rushing the passer on nearly every play and that's pretty much his only responsibility. Merriman is not teeing off on the QB outside of obvious passsing situations. Most plays he has to read what the FB is doing, what the RB is doing, what the TE is doing, drop into his zone, absorb the block of the OL and shed, THEN go after the QB.

Taking all this into account, Merriman STILL has sack numbers that line up with all but 3 or 4 NFL DEs had that came from college division 1 programs. Ware had 10.5 sacks as a senior and a whole 6 sacks as a junior vs crap teams. Merriman had 8.5 sacks as a junior and 8.5 sacks as a sophmore vs ACC teams. It's elementary school level math. Add it up. 16.5 sacks vs 17 sacks over the last 2 years. Ware had 27.5 sacks over 4 years. Merriman already had 22 sacks with one year of eligibility left. If Ware is a sack artist, so is Merriman, except Shawne did it in a much better conference.

**Sarge** · 04-21-2005

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Originally Posted by zagnut

How is it edge: Ware, unless you're his mother?

Go figure that a DE would have more sacks than an OLB. It's very interesting that people always conveniently leave this fact out when comparing Ware vs Merriman.

Ware is rushing the passer on nearly every play and that's pretty much his only responsibility. Merriman is not teeing off on the QB outside of obvious passsing situations. Most plays he has to read what the FB is doing, what the RB is doing, what the TE is doing, drop into his zone, absorb the block of the OL and shed, THEN go after the QB.

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Damn good post.