Scandricks contract and Mike Jenkins

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

That's one more pro bowl than Carr has ever been too. You guys should read my post about Ware vs Mario if you think its not reasonable to expect Jenkins might get more money than Carr did.

mario williams was a 1st overall selection who went to one of the least favorite markets in the country. he is both big and fast. he may have been the top 4-3 DE available as well as the top 3-4 OLB to hit the market. there really wasn't a close second.

Ware was resigned early for the "discount".

Carr has outplayed Jenkins easily the past 3 seasons; pro bowls or not. He is also much physically more sound.

Again Jenkins isn't gonna top Carr dollars. We paid a huge price for Carr because we were desperate and scouted him as our top overall need.


It is VERY early but the list at CB for free agency looks strong with 3 or 4 guys as good as Jenkins and maybe 5 or 6 as coveted with health considered:
Cornerbacks:

Brent Grimes – ATL
Chris Owens – ATL
Domonique Foxworth – BAL
Leodis McKelvin – BUF
Darius Butler – CAR
Captain Munnerlyn – CAR
D.J. Moore – CHI
Sheldon Brown – CLE
Mike Jenkins – DAL
Danny McCray – DAL (R)
Cassuis Vaughn – DEN
Aaron Berry – DET (R)
Alphonso Smith – DET
Sam Shields – GB (R)
Brice McCain – HOU
David Caldwell – IND (R)
Jerraud Powers – IND
Derek Cox – JAC
Sean Smith – MIA
Asher Allen – MIN
Josh Barrett – NE
Jabari Greer - NO
Brian Witherspoon – NYG
Brandon Hughes – PHI
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie – PHI
Bryant McFadden – PIT
Quentin Jammer – SD
Antoine Cason – SD
Shawntae Spencer – SF
Ronald Bartell – STL
Bradley Fletcher – STL
Aqib Talib – TB
E.J. Biggers – TB
Ryan Mouton – TEN
Kevin Barnes – WAS

[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by jterrell

mario williams was a 1st overall selection who went to one of the least favorite markets in the country. he is both big and fast. he may have been the top 4-3 DE available as well as the top 3-4 OLB to hit the market. there really wasn't a close second.

Ware was resigned early for the "discount".

Carr has outplayed Jenkins easily the past 3 seasons; pro bowls or not. He is also much physically more sound.

Again Jenkins isn't gonna top Carr dollars. We paid a huge price for Carr because we were desperate and scouted him as our top overall need.


It is VERY early but the list at CB for free agency looks strong with 3 or 4 guys as good as Jenkins and maybe 5 or 6 as coveted with health considered:
Cornerbacks:

Brent Grimes – ATL
Chris Owens – ATL
Domonique Foxworth – BAL
Leodis McKelvin – BUF
Darius Butler – CAR
Captain Munnerlyn – CAR
[View Full Quote]D.J. Moore – CHI
Sheldon Brown – CLE
Mike Jenkins – DAL
Danny McCray – DAL (R)
Cassuis Vaughn – DEN
Aaron Berry – DET (R)
Alphonso Smith – DET
Sam Shields – GB (R)
Brice McCain – HOU
David Caldwell – IND (R)
Jerraud Powers – IND
Derek Cox – JAC
Sean Smith – MIA
Asher Allen – MIN
Josh Barrett – NE
Jabari Greer - NO
Brian Witherspoon – NYG
Brandon Hughes – PHI
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie – PHI
Bryant McFadden – PIT
Quentin Jammer – SD
Antoine Cason – SD
Shawntae Spencer – SF
Ronald Bartell – STL
Bradley Fletcher – STL
Aqib Talib – TB
E.J. Biggers – TB
Ryan Mouton – TEN
Kevin Barnes – WAS

Mario Williams isn't, hasn't been, and never will be even close to the player Ware is. Granted Ware never hit the open market, but he also didn't give us any discount either.. he went into the negotiations saying he wanted to be paid like an elite QB, lol. He got what he thought was a fair deal at the time.

The reality is, the price goes up each year as the market is set. We didn't give Carr much more money than any of the other top FA CB's got this past offseason. Its just the way it goes.

Salaries go up and up each year as owners get greedy, and then eventually it comes back to the owners complaining that players are making too much money.

Carr hasn't "easily" outperformed Jenkins the last 3 years either, imo. They are much closer than some think.

[ghst187]

how many reiterations does it take for people to understand that:
A) no one will likely give us more than a 4th round pick for Jenkins unless they get in dire straights i.e. desperate and then it'll probably only be a third
B) We can use Jenkins this year for solid depth cuz rest assured that one of our starters will miss some time
C) If we cut Jenkins we won't get the 4th round compensatory pick for him which we would likely be entitled to if we just let him walk after the season is over

so bottomline, unless you can get a second or likely high third round pick for Jenkins, it doesn't make sense for us to move him bc we will get a fourth for him by letting him walk after the season. Could really have some ammo next draft, possibly two fourth round comp picks....one for Jenkins and one for Felix....so possibly six picks in the first four rounds....OL, DL, OL, S, RB, OLB.

[dogunwo]

Originally Posted by Q_the_man

Teams always overpay. especially at the CB position, Jenkins is more than a above average CB, I would really hate to see Jenkins go.

Hope he resign with us, if not franchise for one season- depending how the rest of this season plays out of course

If teams are always paying top corners at a certain level, then thats not overpaying, thats market value.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

That's one more pro bowl than Carr has ever been too. You guys should read my post about Ware vs Mario if you think its not reasonable to expect Jenkins might get more money than Carr did.

yeah newman made the probowl that year to. Also Carr was in the AFC where there was several better CBs in the AFC that year.
Also Jenkins was the second alternative and only made the probowl due to two people dropping out.

If someone pays Jenkins more than Carr, then great go ahead and over pay. I will take Carr every day at the discount.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by ghst187

how many reiterations does it take for people to understand that:
A) no one will likely give us more than a 4th round pick for Jenkins unless they get in dire straights i.e. desperate and then it'll probably only be a third
B) We can use Jenkins this year for solid depth cuz rest assured that one of our starters will miss some time
C) If we cut Jenkins we won't get the 4th round compensatory pick for him which we would likely be entitled to if we just let him walk after the season is over

so bottomline, unless you can get a second or likely high third round pick for Jenkins, it doesn't make sense for us to move him bc we will get a fourth for him by letting him walk after the season. Could really have some ammo next draft, possibly two fourth round comp picks....one for Jenkins and one for Felix....so possibly six picks in the first four rounds....OL, DL, OL, S, RB, OLB.

this is the best alternative.

[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

yeah newman made the probowl that year to. Also Carr was in the AFC where there was several better CBs in the AFC that year.
Also Jenkins was the second alternative and only made the probowl due to two people dropping out.

If someone pays Jenkins more than Carr, then great go ahead and over pay. I will take Carr every day at the discount.

Im not sure how that affects this conversation at all?

Anyway, the point is, the market price for FA's goes up every year for a number of reasons. Its not that one player is better than the other, its just how the economics work in the NFL.

If there are a couple good CB's in the FA market this year, whoever gets the first deal will say, "Well this is what the top CB's got last year, i deserve at least that." They'll visit a couple teams to drive the price up and some team will bite and pay. Then the other top players at that position will use that initial contract as leverage to get themselves more too.

In the same light, owners will overpay for mediocre talent at times, which then drives up the price for the good players, which then drives up the price for the great players.. and it just keeps going until the owners start complaining that the players are making too much and then we have a repeat of the lockout.

Its silly, but that's how it works. Again, prime example, Ware's contract vs. Mario's contract this offseason.

Ware is clearly a much much better player, but Mario is making 22 million more. Just how it goes.

[dallasdave]

So, do we trade Jenkins?

[TheDallasDon]

Originally Posted by dallasdave

So, do we trade Jenkins?

No.....not unless its a 1st or a high 2nd!!!

If he walks at the end of the year....The Boys get a pick, so it would be point less to trade him for anything less, plus we need him so that adds even more value...so can we stop asking this?