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10-08-2012
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#166
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Originally Posted by DMAC
So would I, and that is why I say Romo is much better than Vick. But again, to be elite, he has some issue between his ears he needs to fix.
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What is your definition of elite? If it's top 10 quarterback then Tony is definitely that.
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10-08-2012
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#167
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Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan
What is your definition of elite? If it's top 10 quarterback then Tony is definitely that.
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Elite is probably top 5 at your position.
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10-08-2012
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#168
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Originally Posted by Joshmil53
Elite is probably top 5 at your position.
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I don't agree with that because the quarterback position is so incredibly deep and talented. I think top 10 is elite and Tony is at the every least top 10. I stil, have him in my top 5.
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10-08-2012
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#169
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You Have an Axe to Grind
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Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan
What is your definition of elite? If it's top 10 quarterback then Tony is definitely that.
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My definition would be a QB that has the career resume that puts them amongst the top 5 QB's in the league.
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10-08-2012
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#170
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Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan
What is your definition of elite? If it's top 10 quarterback then Tony is definitely that.
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When the game/season is on the line, an elite QB is one that takes the field, and his team/fans know they will win. And the competition gets a little nervous. Tony has never projected that feeling throughout his career. He needs to put this team on his back, and lead them. No more mistakes, particularly when the game is on the line.
He has the physical tools. He just needs to understand when to take risks, and what risks to take when. Clear now?
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10-08-2012
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#171
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You Have an Axe to Grind
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Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan
I don't agree with that because the quarterback position is so incredibly deep and talented. I think top 10 is elite and Tony is at the every least top 10. I stil, have him in my top 5.
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There's a only a few QB's in the league that are capable of carrying their team on their shoulders in a critical game and leading them to a championship. The "elite" QB's in the league have all been there and done it.
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10-08-2012
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#172
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The Funcooker
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Originally Posted by Gemini Dolly
Do you have him below 15?
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no, he's definitely in the top 15, top 11 even.
I will say this, no QB in the league does more to bail out his Oline than Tony Romo. If the offense could just bring it together, he'd be top 2.
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10-08-2012
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#173
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to me elite is TOP 3 so no Tony is not elite
He is around 7th or so
(by the way those claiming that Rivers is better than Romo need to look at last nights game- that is TYPICAL of rivers the last couple of years)
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10-08-2012
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#174
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DMAC
When the game/season is on the line, an elite QB is one that takes the field, and his team/fans know they will win. And the competition gets a little nervous. Tony has never projected that feeling throughout his career. He needs to put this team on his back, and lead them. No more mistakes, particularly when the game is on the line.
He has the physical tools. He just needs to understand when to take risks, and what risks to take when. Clear now?
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He also needs some help just like any quarterback does to win a Super Bowl. He needs time to throw the football down the field. He needs a defense that can come in and get clutch stops consistently. That's what Eli Manning had last season. He payed terrific last season, but would he have won a Super Bowl without that solid and steady offensive line and tough defense? Absolutely not and he'd even admit that.
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10-08-2012
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#175
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Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan
He also needs some help just like any quarterback does to win a Super Bowl.
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No doubt about that. But instead of blaming the "goat of the year" he needs to elevate his game, and also elevate the players around him. As the leader of this team, that is his job.
Hell, if you had an who's who of talent at all the other positions, me or you could be a sucessful QB in this legue. Well, you probably could. I'm too old and fat these days.
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10-08-2012
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#176
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Originally Posted by DMAC
No doubt about that. But instead of blaming the "goat of the year" he needs to elevate his game, and also elevate the players around him. As the leader of this team, that is his job.
Hell, if you had an who's who of talent at all the other positions, me or you could be a sucessful QB in this legue. Well, you probably could. I'm too old and fat these days.
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It's hard to make worthless/talentless scrubs like the ones on the offensive line look any good. I don't think a quarterback in the league outside of maybe Aaron Rodgers would be able to do any better against this high school caliber offensive line.
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10-08-2012
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#177
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Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan
Actually it is. What has Flacco done to be put above Romo? Nothing. He took his team to an AFC Champioship Game, but would he have gotten there without a terrific defense, offensive line, and running game? Absolutely not.
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And when Romo lead his team to a playoff victory in 2009, the Cowboys had the second best scoring defense in the NFL and a top 10 rushing attack. What's the difference?
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10-08-2012
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#178
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Originally Posted by Big Blue Joe
And when Romo lead his team to a playoff victory in 2009, the Cowboys had the second best scoring defense in the NFL and a top 10 rushing attack. What's the difference?
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Where was that great defense and supposedly solid offensive line against the Vikings in the next game? They sucked. They got torched by an ancient 40 year old Brett Favre. The offensive line got owned at the line of scrimmage like always and got Romo killed. One of the worst performances by an offensive line in recent memory.
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10-08-2012
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#179
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1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Drew Brees
4. Peyton Manning
5. Eli Manning
6. Tony Romo
7. Ben Roethlisberger
8. Matt Ryan
9. Matt Stafford
10. Joe Flacco
11. Andrew Luck
12. Michael Vick
13. Cam Newton
14. Robert Griffin III
15. Jay Cutler
16. Phillip Rivers
17. Matt Schaub
18. Carson Palmer
19. Alex Smith
20. Christian Ponder
21. Andy Dalton
22. Ryan Fitzpatrick
23. Jake Locker
24. Ryan Tannehill
25. Sam Bradford
26. Mark Sanchez
27. Josh Freeman
28. Brandon Weeden
29. Russell Wilson
30. Blaine Gabbert
31. Matt Cassell
32. Kevin Kolb
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10-08-2012
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#180
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Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan
Where was that great defense and supposedly solid offensive line against the Vikings in the next game? They sucked. They got torched by an ancient 40 year old Brett Favre. The offensive line got owned at the line of scrimmage like always and got Romo killed. One of the worst performances by an offensive line in recent memory.
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Ok. So how does that make Romo any different from Joe Flacco? Both of them have shown they can lead teams to postseason success when the rest of their supporting cast plays well.
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