Help Sell Me On Jason Garrett

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

..and this post means nothing in regards to how good or bad each team's OL is. Care to qualify your earlier statement on how the Rams OL is "far better" than the Cowboys when they have their guy pressured more, hit more, and sacked more?

Other than, "Tony is good at sensing pressure and avoiding sacks."

..because, while that's true, its not an argument that the Rams line is far better.

Not 1 Offensive line man on the Rams was drafted by the Rams, they are all journeymen AT BEST

LT -Wayne Hunter traded from Jets for Jason Smith. Benched by Rex Ryan for allowing too many sack (wiki) 1st yr w/ Rams
LG - Quinn Ojinnaka. Drafted 5th rd Atlanta 2006, 1 yr in NE (2010), 1 Yr with Colts (2011) 1st yr w/ Rams
C - Robert Turner - UDFA NYJ 2007. played ST, Def and TE as well. 1st yr w/ Rams
RG - Harvey Dahl - Signed by Dallas as a UDFA in 2005. PLayed Rhein Fire, SF 49ers, Atlanta Falcons. 2nd yr w/ Rams
RT - Barry Richardson: 6th Rd by Kansas City in 2008. 1st yr w/ Rams


4 of 5 players are playing together with the Rams for the first time in 2012 and the other is there for 2 years. He is grasping at straws


Again, it shows that most people just do anything they can to excuse this mess - its scapegoatish at this point. Put another way.... 4 of 5 of the Ram O Linemen could have been had this offseason if they are SOO MUCH BETTER. Fail on either arguement

[Chocolate Lab]

Originally Posted by McLovin

Not 1 Offensive line man on the Rams was drafted by the Rams, they are all journeymen AT BEST

LT -Wayne Hunter traded from Jets for Jason Smith. Benched by Rex Ryan for allowing too many sack (wiki) 1st yr w/ Rams
LG - Quinn Ojinnaka. Drafted 5th rd Atlanta 2006, 1 yr in NE (2010), 1 Yr with Colts (2011) 1st yr w/ Rams
C - Robert Turner - UDFA NYJ 2007. played ST, Def and TE as well. 1st yr w/ Rams
RG - Harvey Dahl - Signed by Dallas as a UDFA in 2005. PLayed Rhein Fire, SF 49ers, Atlanta Falcons. 2nd yr w/ Rams
RT - Barry Richardson: 6th Rd by Kansas City in 2008. 1st yr w/ Rams


4 of 5 players are playing together with the Rams for the first time in 2012 and the other is there for 2 years. He is grasping at straws


[View Full Quote]Again, it shows that most people just do anything they can to excuse this mess - its scapegoatish at this point. Put another way.... 4 of 5 of the Ram O Linemen could have been had this offseason if they are SOO MUCH BETTER. Fail on either arguement

Exactly.

Is this a top O-line? No. But it should be at least average. Just having a supremely talented LT puts you ahead of most teams... Or it should.

[DandyDon1722]

Originally Posted by rickjameschinaclub

Singletary was pretty strong on culture as well... Winning changes culture... If you continue to lose, it doesn't matter how many smokescreens you create...

I enjoyed this thread and all the research and passion you guys have put into it.

The post above really struck me.

Singletary was obsessed with changing the culture in San Francisco and by his record it looks like he didn't succeed, but I think he may have set the table for Harbaugh and allowed them to transition faster.

After Wade, Garrett was really up against it with a team that essentially quit.
Garrett hasn't won yet but by dedicating this next entire off season to the offensive line, we will have our answer soon enough.

[dallasfan4lizife]

It's a process. He's an RKG, and he does things well. day by day. week by week. stacking good days on good days in all 3 phases.

the dude is all bark!!!!

it's a process for me becoming a CEO of a fortune 500 company...does it mean that if i talk about it, then it will come to fruition? ?

[Zordon]

Originally Posted by McLovin

Not 1 Offensive line man on the Rams was drafted by the Rams, they are all journeymen AT BEST

LT -Wayne Hunter traded from Jets for Jason Smith. Benched by Rex Ryan for allowing too many sack (wiki) 1st yr w/ Rams
LG - Quinn Ojinnaka. Drafted 5th rd Atlanta 2006, 1 yr in NE (2010), 1 Yr with Colts (2011) 1st yr w/ Rams
C - Robert Turner - UDFA NYJ 2007. played ST, Def and TE as well. 1st yr w/ Rams
RG - Harvey Dahl - Signed by Dallas as a UDFA in 2005. PLayed Rhein Fire, SF 49ers, Atlanta Falcons. 2nd yr w/ Rams
RT - Barry Richardson: 6th Rd by Kansas City in 2008. 1st yr w/ Rams


4 of 5 players are playing together with the Rams for the first time in 2012 and the other is there for 2 years. He is grasping at straws


[View Full Quote]Again, it shows that most people just do anything they can to excuse this mess - its scapegoatish at this point. Put another way.... 4 of 5 of the Ram O Linemen could have been had this offseason if they are SOO MUCH BETTER. Fail on either arguement

also would like to add the giants have the 4th ranked run blocking oline and 1st ranked pass blocking oline this year and they've replaced 3 of their offensive linemen the last 2 years. people need to stop making excuses for the molasses slow pace that players/units develop in dallas.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Originally Posted by Zordon

also would like to add the giants have the 4th ranked run blocking oline and 1st ranked pass blocking oline this year and they've replaced 3 of their offensive linemen the last 2 years. people need to stop making excuses for the molasses slow pace that players/units develop in dallas.

Agreed...so what's the problem?

[Dave_in-NC]

Originally Posted by Zordon

also would like to add the giants have the 4th ranked run blocking oline and 1st ranked pass blocking oline this year and they've replaced 3 of their offensive linemen the last 2 years. people need to stop making excuses for the molasses slow pace that players/units develop in dallas.

So other teams have had to do this to and not stink it up doing it?
Amazing.

[AZBOYZFAN]

Originally Posted by Numbers921

Nah, Garrett's been here since 2007, buddy.

You dont change cultures as an OC

[AZBOYZFAN]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

I think when you evaluate a head coach you have to ask yourself if he is getting the most from what he has.

Currently, he is not. End of story. Dallas has a QB and they have all the skill players any coach could ever want.

Find me a single OC who is currently employed who couldn't get results if they had all that AND a good OL.

Do the results match up to the pieces the team has on offense? Simple as that and the answer is, "They do not".

Hey where is this good OL?

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by GiveDezdaBall88

Am i wrong?

Absolutely and completely.

[AZBOYZFAN]

Originally Posted by GiveDezdaBall88

Rob Ryan knew that you can challenge when a ball is deflected on PI, JG has no clue.

You do realize Garrett was waiting on the guy in the booth who works for the Cowboys (every team has one) to tell him the play was a good one to challenge as they can see when the PI happened in regards to the tip. You must know and just want to hate

[AZBOYZFAN]

Originally Posted by KJJ

The Rams were 2-14 last season and have far from a competent OL. Bradford has been sacked 15 times this season. Their OL got Bradford sacked 36 times in 10 games last year and had him on the shelve the final 6 games with an injury. The only viable receiver the Rams have is Danny Amendola who the Cowboys cut.

All you're doing is making it sound like the Cowboys are completely talentless. You just posted that Romo has it tougher than an "athlete" in sports. There's QB's in the NFL including Aaron Rodgers who are playing behind a worse OL than Romo.

Whats Aaron Rodger's record atm?

[AZBOYZFAN]

Originally Posted by rickjameschinaclub

Jason didn't have Dave Campo forced on his unit to coach a secondary that continued to get lost in coverage, only to have Wade having to compensate for such mediocrity, holding the pass rush back... Remember, that was in 2008, after the 2007 season when Dallas just went 13-3 and the defense under Wade looked it's best in awhile, despite having Anthony Henry and Jacques Reeves covering. Wade didn't want Houck, he wanted Solari. Wade wanted Dan Reeves to assist in the running game, he didn't get it.

The Garrett family, besides Jones, is the only other continuity in this organization...

If anybody thinks Jason hasn't had a chance to put his staple on this ogranization, their flat-out in denial. Jerry has been setting this organization up for Jason, before he stepped into the head-coach position. He has two brothers in key positions, and his father has ties within the organization itself.

You do realize its Jones' fault that Reeves didnt come here right?

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by koolaid

Hell, I'll give it a shot.

1. Since Garrett has become coach the overall talent and quality of the team has improved. Our defense in particular is loaded with young talent and I believe it could become one of the best in the NFL for years to come. Some people here hate on Claiborne because of the cost but he could become a a true shutdown corner.

2. We have put an emphasis on character guys. Dez is really the only guy on our roster who is a question mark IMO.

3. When we are clicking we can beat anyone. I truly believe that.

4. Jason Witten and other leaders have endorsed him.

5. He is 15-13 as our head coach. He took over a team that was obviously flawed and has done good work with our roster.

[View Full Quote]6. He has upside. Lets not forget he has only coached 1 full season as our head coach. That was last year with a short off season. The jury is still out on this season. If he brings us to 3-2 after this Sunday, (a tough task against Baltimore) things will look a lot brighter around here.

7. As Hos and other posted have said, we are not the only team who thinks he is head coaching material.

8. We have the head to head against the giants.

9. We have a better record than the Packers.

10. We were VERY close to winning the NFCE last year.

Good stuff.

[AZBOYZFAN]

Originally Posted by Zordon

also would like to add the giants have the 4th ranked run blocking oline and 1st ranked pass blocking oline this year and they've replaced 3 of their offensive linemen the last 2 years. people need to stop making excuses for the molasses slow pace that players/units develop in dallas.

Did their oline play the entire offseason, preseason and training camp together?