Jimmy Johnson calls Jerry Jones' G.M. claims a "crock"

[Boom]

Originally Posted by CyberB0b

He picked up Zach Thomas, Jason Taylor, Sam Madison, Derrick Rodgers, and Patrick Surtain. Obviously, nothing like he did with the Cowboys, but that was a different era and he had a million picks.

Compare that with the Cowboys at the same time and we got:

Randall Godfrey, Dexter Coakley, Greg Ellis, Derrick Hambrick, and Flozell Adams.

It's been awhile since I looked at them, but I remember one draft being a total bust ('99 I think). Not to mention Yatil Green and John Avery as first rounders.

[rickjameschinaclub]

Originally Posted by MizzouCowboy

I think both of 'em just need to shut up. It's like listening to a couple of 3 year old kids fight over a toy. I'm so sick of both of 'em.

Am I seriously suppose to believe, especially after seeing how Jerry Jones has been since he bought the Cowboys, that Jimmy could sign, draft, or whatever without AT LEAST mentioning it to Jerry. Jerry is the owner, and I have to believe that although the roster was built mostly by Jimmy, that decisions were made TOGETHER.

It's just a shame that these two egotistical, whine-bag babies had to destroy something that was magical. All because of wanting ALL OF THE CREDIT. Dynasties are not built alone. I'm sure assistant coaches, trainers, scouts, and even the equipment manager deserve just a little credit.

[View Full Quote]I think we should tie them both up at the 50 yard line, right smack-dab in the middle of the STAR, start a line that includes every Cowboys fan, and take turns kicking them both right in the butt for killing what could have been. Then maybe, just maybe, they will both shut up.

I like this post... As an aside, this 'revelation' seems to be motivated more so by the documentary around Jimmy Johnson that is set to play, i.e. create some controversy to generate viewership.

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

On the basis of his contract and won-loss record, I'm buying Jimmy's side of the story.

[yimyammer]

Originally Posted by AdamJT13

Exactly. Everyone knows Jimmy built the team, not Jerry. But Jimmy's claim that Jerry didn't hold those titles when he was there is "a crock."

Jimmy also claimed that he was the "personnel director" when he was here, which is another crock. Bob Ackles was the personnel director until 1992, when he was replaced by Stephen Jones. Jimmy never held that title.

Again, Jimmy built the team, but he never held any of those titles, and he's wrong about Jerry not holding them when he was here.

Bob Ackles is an under appreciated guy in the building of the 90's Cowboys and was actually a holdover from the Landry regime.

He was fired by Jerry and was at the table when Jerry made the toast that ended all toasts between Jerry and Jimmy. Its my understanding that Ackles and Jerry weren't too chummy following his firing and as a result it may be understandable why all parties at that table were not too enthused about Jerry's toast.

Adam, you probably have much more info on this (including any necessary corrections of my inaccuracies), could you expound on this and Bob Ackles a little?

It doesn't seem he got enough credit for the success of the 90's

[CyberB0b]

Originally Posted by Boom

It's been awhile since I looked at them, but I remember one draft being a total bust ('99 I think). Not to mention Yatil Green and John Avery as first rounders.

Jimmy quit in Jan. of 1999, so that doesn't count.

[yimyammer]

Originally Posted by cajuncocoa

I can never tell when people on this board are joking or not.

You DO realize that Barry won SB30 with Jimmy's team, right?

That's what Jerry said:

Jones said "I think there are 500 who could have coached this team to the Super Bowl. I really believe that."

[WPBCowboysFan]

Originally Posted by Boom

It's been awhile since I looked at them, but I remember one draft being a total bust ('99 I think). Not to mention Yatil Green and John Avery as first rounders.

Jimmy has been venerated in Dallas.

In Miami/South Florida he is barely an afterthought. Even his Canes legacy took a bit of a hit. There was no hint of his magic in Miami.

In Dallas it was the right guy, at the right time, in the right place.

When you look at his Dallas tenure and his Miami tenure it is the perfect example to show that things have to go your way even if you're good. If they dont, you're not as good.

[yimyammer]

Originally Posted by PAINFROMUKRAINE

Jimmy was successful in Dallas but was a failure in Miami with complete control. So please do not coronate Jimmy for Sainthood. Building Super Bow Contenders is not easy. Jerry has his faults but he is willing to spend money and get players for his Coaches. Maybe the Head Coaches that Jerry hires cannot develop a Championship Team with the players that are provided by Jerry. Jimmy had a great run in the early 1990's but he also had failures as a Head Coach.

Jimmy is living in the Past. Get back in the NFL and develope a Super Bowl Champion again and then stick it to Jerry.

I'm not trying to pile on Jerry when I say this, but given there is now a salary cap and floor, is this even an advantage anymore?

[yimyammer]

Originally Posted by Joe Rod

Maybe Jerry should develop a Superbowl Champion on his own and stick it to Jimmy. I think we would all be happier with that scenario.

lol, you got my vote

[yimyammer]

Originally Posted by tyke1doe

Taking Adam at his word, he did back up his claim. But I don't know if I would question Jimmy's veracity. I doubt he probably even looked at the media guide, seeing how busy he was with other things.

I think Adam is right and the others are right.

Adam is responding to the letter of Jimmy's words. The others are responding to the meaning behind Jimmy's words.

I just don't understand why it was so hard for Jimmy to just swallow his pride and let Jerry believe that he had more influence than he did. I mean, what's the harm in that?

Everyone kinda knew who was behind the resurrection of the Cowboys. So wat if a billionaire owner wants to take a little credit in the franchise he bought.

[View Full Quote]I blame Jimmy Johnson as much as I blame Jerry Jones. Both had tremendous egos and couldn't accept each other for who they actually were.

Such a shame. I honestly believe we would have been the first team to win 5 straight Super Bowls. Sigh.

agreed, its a crying shame.......

[yimyammer]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

3 playoff appearances, winning a playoff game in 2 of those seasons.

Yep, what a disaster.

[Alexander]

Jimmy Johnson sets record straight about his time with Cowboys: ‘I had complete and total responsibility over the football operation,’ not Jerry Jones


By Barry Horn / Reporter
bhorn@dallasnews.com
3:52 pm on November 7, 2012 |

IRVING – Jimmy Johnson said he wasn’t interested in creating controversy but he wanted to set the record straight on Wednesday about his role with the Cowboys in the years he coached the team.

“The time I was with the team I had complete and total responsibility over the football operation,” Johnson said in a telephone interview from his home in the Florida Keys. “That meant personnel, the draft, coaches, including the strength coach. Everything.

“It was always in my contract.”

Johnson was reacting to comments owner Jerry Jones made in the wake of the Cowboys loss to the Atlanta Falcons. Jones said he ran the Cowboys’ football operation from the day he bought the team in 1989 and would continue to do so.

“When I bought the team, the night I bought it, I said I would be doing what I’m doing and that’s GM the team and making the final decisions on personnel,” Jones said late Sunday night. “That’s the way it’s always been done. We’ve won three Super Bowls doing it that way, so I’m going to do it again.”

Johnson, who coached two of those three Super Bowl teams and has been widely credited for assembling the talent that twice beat the Buffalo Bills and the team that went on to win a third against the Pittsburgh Steelers under Barry Switzer, agreed that Jones held the title of “general manager” but…

“When we signed that first contract Jerry said, ‘I’ll be in charge of the finances, you’ll be in charge of the football,’ we’ll make history,”’Johnson said.

Jones and Johnson arrived in 1989. The Cowboys won Super Bowls after the 1992, 1993 and 1995 seasons.

“Jerry was trying to pay for the Cowboys those first three or four years,” Johnson said. “That’s the way it was.”

In a May 21, 1989 Dallas Morning News story detailing Johnson’s authority with the Cowboys, Jones was quoted saying, “Jimmy is coach and chief executive officer of the Dallas Cowboys. Jimmy has the capacity to run major corporations, so he 
can certainly handle the Cowboys. It’s a unique situation, but he has 
unique abilities.”

But Johnson said Jones wanted more credit when he realized the business end of the Cowboys was not quite as glamorous as the day-to-day football operation.

“In the third or fourth year, Jerry said ‘I want to be part of this. Nobody cares how much money I make, they want to know about a second-string guard,”’ Johnson said.

Johnson said when the Cowboys traded with Atlanta for defensive tackle Tony Casillas in training camp before the 1991 season he was surprised to hear Jones taking credit. Johnson said when he told Jones about the trade, the owner was not familiar with Casillas, who had played at the University of Oklahoma and been the second pick of the 1986 draft.

“I was steamed,” Johnson said.

Johnson said that when he negotiated subsequent contracts with Jones, the Cowboys owner was “always very adamant” that clauses detailing Johnson’s control be removed.

“It was always a sticking point with Jerry,” Johnson said. “I would never agree.”

Coincidentally, the Cowboys victory over the Buffalo Bills in Super Bowl XXVIII was the last game Johnson coached for Jones and the Cowboys. It was at the Georgia Dome, the same place Jones made his comments on Sunday. The two had a famous parting of the ways that allowed Jones to bring in Barry Switzer from 1994-1997.

The Cowboys won one playoff game in 1996 and one more since.

“I never said Jerry was not 100 percent into his job and the Cowboys,” Johnson said. “I just want facts to be facts.”

[yimyammer]

Originally Posted by Idgit

The topic of Jerry's role when it comes to a coach disciplining players or benching players during a game is one I'd actually like to see the Dallas media go crazy with for a change. Hear what Jason has to say about his authority in that regard, and why he choses to keep players who make game-swinging mental errors in the game. Hear what Jerry is willing to say on record about Jason's ability to bench whoever he wants, whenever he wants.

I'm pretty sure they'll both say it's up to Jason, but I'd like to hear it for the record. If it's not an area where JG has complete autonomy, then it's a hell of an actual criticism of Jerry Jones as a GM/owner. Much of that directionless criticism I don't listen to, but this would be valid criticism in my book.

[View Full Quote]One other semi-interesting point Darren Woodson made on Cowherd this morning was that Jerry does such a good job of taking care of his guys that there's no 'meat' hanging out there for guys to play for. Not sure how much that bears out, but it's another tidbit worth mulling over.

Might it be that there are a couple of procedural changes Jerry's been unwilling to make that aren't necessarily deal-breakers for his ego but that could have a positive effect on the team going forward?

I've had the same thoughts and would love to see these points accurately addressed and disclosed

[yimyammer]

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich

Both Jerry and Jimmy made a colossal mistake splitting up. Jimmy and his sycophants don't seem to think that way.


YR

agreed, plus I think both parties strengths were negated by the salary cap and free agency

[Boys122]

What will all the Johnson doubters think now? Jimmy was in charge.

Never doubted it for a minute.