Jimmy Johnson calls Jerry Jones' G.M. claims a "crock"

[AdamJT13]

Originally Posted by wileedog

I think that is taking what Jimmy is saying a bit too literal.

OK.

So when Jimmy said, "Jerry started putting all those titles on himself after I left," that's not literally what he meant. What he meant was "Jerry had all those titles before I left."

And when Jimmy said, "He didn’t call himself general manager and president and all that stuff when I was there," that's not literally what he meant. What he meant was, "Jerry called himself the general manager and president when I was there."

And when Jimmy said, "He was just the owner," that's not literally what he meant. What he meant was, "He was the owner, president and general manager."

And when Jimmy said, “I was the personnel director there with the Cowboys," that's not literally what he meant. What he meant was, "I was never the personnel director there with the Cowboys. Bob Ackles and Stephen Jones were."

I see. Good to know we can trust Jimmy to always tell the truth, even if it comes out of his mouth as completely false.

[Dodger12]

Originally Posted by tyke1doe

I just don't understand why it was so hard for Jimmy to just swallow his pride and let Jerry believe that he had more influence than he did. I mean, what's the harm in that?

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich

That's why Jimmy made a terrible decision.

But to me, what's worse...being held as a lameduck player by the owner who is paying you millions (also gave you your first job in the NFL when everybody viewed you as a joke and held onto you after a 1-15 season, unprecedented at the time)......OR.....being made a lameduck by a certain player on the team.

Congrats Jimmy, you just walked into your own personal landmine. But you were right though.

Originally Posted by Alexander

By Barry Horn / Reporter
bhorn@dallasnews.com
3:52 pm on November 7, 2012 |

Johnson said that when he negotiated subsequent contracts with Jones, the Cowboys owner was “always very adamant” that clauses detailing Johnson’s control be removed.

“It was always a sticking point with Jerry,” Johnson said. “I would never agree.”

There's your answer.........After the Cowboys became financially solvent, Jerry wanted to get into the football side and I'm sure Jimmy knew it was only a matter of time and saw that the end was near.

Kudos to Jimmy though. I think as he gets older he wanted to set the record straight for his legacy. Jerry's been living off Jimmy for over 2 decades and then used Parcells to get his stadium built. Anyone that believes this guy is anything but a snake oil salesman is a fool.

I wonder if Jerry will come back with a response of his own? This could get interesting.

[Chocolate Lab]

GAC was saying today that Jimmy retracted the comment about Jerry not having the GM title via twitter. But he said he still made the football decisions.

[Mr Cowboy]

“Jimmy is coach and chief executive officer of the Dallas Cowboys,’” Jones told Miklasz. “Jimmy has the capacity to run major corporations, so he can certainly handle the Cowboys. It’s a unique situation, but he has unique abilities.”

In the excerpt below, Miklasz explains that Johnson’s powers extended well beyond the football field:

In fewer than 100 days at Valley Ranch, Johnson has:

*Fired Gil Brandt and reorganized the scouting department. Johnson
made each of the Cowboys’ 14 draft picks last month.

*Personally negotiated player contracts. The last time an NFL coach
handled contracts regularly was [George] Allen, in the early 1970s with the
Redskins.

*Taken over production of the Cowboys’ two weekly television shows;
he determined that the shows could be more profitable under a new
set-up and hired a new producer to coordinate the effort.

*Studied the team’s ticket operations. He recently reviewed the
list of complimentary tickets handed out under the previous regime and
decided to cut down. Johnson picked up the phone and began calling
total strangers, telling them their free tickets had been eliminated.

It’s hard to envision, say, a Buddy Ryan worrying about ticket
distribution. It’s a wonder Johnson finds time to make it to the hair
salon.

Johnson is so actively involved in so many areas, that the team’s
office staff recently was juggled to provide him with a second
secretary.

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/20...eginning.html/

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by junk

All good points especially Woodson's comments.

We rarely make it to that point around here since people are too busy trying to come up with reasons why Jerry isn't an issue, but I think it is valid. You don't go 15 years with 1 playoff win unless there are several underlying issues.

Part is talent acquisition, but part of it is the culture that Jerry creates. Guys perform and Jerry takes care of them. Who is going to work harder to come back? A Barry Church recovering from injury who is playing for his next contract or a Barry Church that already has it?

The whole walk around coach mentality, the chumminess that Jimmy spoke off....all leads to a culture that isn't conducive to winning.

This is a very fair criticism of Jerry Jones.

As far as Barry Church goes, go back and listen to his interviews from DC.com and the Talkin' Cowboys episode where Broaddus and Mickey talked to him about becoming a starter.

He never said that he "arrived" and he's always said that he will have to continually work at getting better.

On the other hand you have KO saying this with the encouragement of Jay Ratliff:

[silver]

Originally Posted by Mr Cowboy

“Jimmy is coach and chief executive officer of the Dallas Cowboys,’” Jones told Miklasz. “Jimmy has the capacity to run major corporations, so he can certainly handle the Cowboys. It’s a unique situation, but he has unique abilities.”

In the excerpt below, Miklasz explains that Johnson’s powers extended well beyond the football field:

In fewer than 100 days at Valley Ranch, Johnson has:

*Fired Gil Brandt and reorganized the scouting department. Johnson
made each of the Cowboys’ 14 draft picks last month.

*Personally negotiated player contracts. The last time an NFL coach
handled contracts regularly was [George] Allen, in the early 1970s with the
Redskins.

*Taken over production of the Cowboys’ two weekly television shows;
he determined that the shows could be more profitable under a new
set-up and hired a new producer to coordinate the effort.

[View Full Quote]*Studied the team’s ticket operations. He recently reviewed the
list of complimentary tickets handed out under the previous regime and
decided to cut down. Johnson picked up the phone and began calling
total strangers, telling them their free tickets had been eliminated.

It’s hard to envision, say, a Buddy Ryan worrying about ticket
distribution. It’s a wonder Johnson finds time to make it to the hair
salon.

Johnson is so actively involved in so many areas, that the team’s
office staff recently was juggled to provide him with a second
secretary.

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/20...eginning.html/

nice find. I'm guessing Jimmy wont be invited to the Cowboys Christmas party this year. And I bet Jason spent his last fishing trip with the Jimster while he's employed by Jerry. At first I thought this was a ploy to generate ratings for the NFL network show but now it appears to be a full blown war. Or maybe this what Ol' Jerry had in mind when he said he'll stirr something up before apathy sets in. He had his ol college buddy Jimmy do the stirring for him. He might go ahead and re-sign TO to keep everybody on their toes.

[Joe Rod]

Originally Posted by Mr Cowboy

“Jimmy is coach and chief executive officer of the Dallas Cowboys,’” Jones told Miklasz. “Jimmy has the capacity to run major corporations, so he can certainly handle the Cowboys. It’s a unique situation, but he has unique abilities.”

In the excerpt below, Miklasz explains that Johnson’s powers extended well beyond the football field:

In fewer than 100 days at Valley Ranch, Johnson has:

*Fired Gil Brandt and reorganized the scouting department. Johnson
made each of the Cowboys’ 14 draft picks last month.

*Personally negotiated player contracts. The last time an NFL coach
handled contracts regularly was [George] Allen, in the early 1970s with the
Redskins.

*Taken over production of the Cowboys’ two weekly television shows;
he determined that the shows could be more profitable under a new
set-up and hired a new producer to coordinate the effort.

[View Full Quote]*Studied the team’s ticket operations. He recently reviewed the
list of complimentary tickets handed out under the previous regime and
decided to cut down. Johnson picked up the phone and began calling
total strangers, telling them their free tickets had been eliminated.

It’s hard to envision, say, a Buddy Ryan worrying about ticket
distribution. It’s a wonder Johnson finds time to make it to the hair
salon.

Johnson is so actively involved in so many areas, that the team’s
office staff recently was juggled to provide him with a second
secretary.

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/20...eginning.html/

Great find! I think Adam has cleared up the literal issues and this article certanly puts to bed the question of who called the shots between Jimmy and Jerry.

[Andrei Kostitsyn]

Originally Posted by AdamJT13

OK.

So when Jimmy said, "Jerry started putting all those titles on himself after I left," that's not literally what he meant. What he meant was "Jerry had all those titles before I left."

And when Jimmy said, "He didn’t call himself general manager and president and all that stuff when I was there," that's not literally what he meant. What he meant was, "Jerry called himself the general manager and president when I was there."

And when Jimmy said, "He was just the owner," that's not literally what he meant. What he meant was, "He was the owner, president and general manager."

And when Jimmy said, “I was the personnel director there with the Cowboys," that's not literally what he meant. What he meant was, "I was never the personnel director there with the Cowboys. Bob Ackles and Stephen Jones were."

[View Full Quote] I see. Good to know we can trust Jimmy to always tell the truth, even if it comes out of his mouth as completely false.

You should be ashamed of yourself for pretending not to know EXACTLY what he meant by everything he said.


Unless I missed the point of your post?

[silver]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

This is a very fair criticism of Jerry Jones.

As far as Barry Church goes, go back and listen to his interviews from DC.com and the Talkin' Cowboys episode where Broaddus and Mickey talked to him about becoming a starter.

He never said that he "arrived" and he's always said that he will have to continually work at getting better.

On the other hand you have KO saying this with the encouragement of Jay Ratliff:

that was then, with KO talking about getting picked up in FF. Nowadays he's owned by a measly 22% in all leagues. he put up 15 points vs atlanta and he's still a free agent. in the real world he'll never see the Laurent Robinson contract they were talking about. he's just too inconsistent. doesnt do anything great: dime a dozen in my book.

[silver]

Originally Posted by Joe Rod

Great find! I think Stephen has cleared up the literal issues and this article certanly puts to bed the question of who called the shots between Jimmy and Jerry.

fixed that for you

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by silver

that was then, with KO talking about getting picked up in FF. Nowadays he's owned by a measly 22% in all leagues. he put up 15 points vs atlanta and he's still a free agent. in the real world he'll never see the Laurent Robinson contract they were talking about. he's just too inconsistent. doesnt do anything great: dime a dozen in my book.

It's the premise of the whole interview, where suddenly KO is a savior after one game.

[Wolfpack]

Originally Posted by Mr Cowboy

“Jimmy is coach and chief executive officer of the Dallas Cowboys,’” Jones told Miklasz. “Jimmy has the capacity to run major corporations, so he can certainly handle the Cowboys. It’s a unique situation, but he has unique abilities.”

In the excerpt below, Miklasz explains that Johnson’s powers extended well beyond the football field:

In fewer than 100 days at Valley Ranch, Johnson has:

*Fired Gil Brandt and reorganized the scouting department. Johnson
made each of the Cowboys’ 14 draft picks last month.

*Personally negotiated player contracts. The last time an NFL coach
handled contracts regularly was [George] Allen, in the early 1970s with the
Redskins.

*Taken over production of the Cowboys’ two weekly television shows;
he determined that the shows could be more profitable under a new
set-up and hired a new producer to coordinate the effort.

[View Full Quote]*Studied the team’s ticket operations. He recently reviewed the
list of complimentary tickets handed out under the previous regime and
decided to cut down. Johnson picked up the phone and began calling
total strangers, telling them their free tickets had been eliminated.

It’s hard to envision, say, a Buddy Ryan worrying about ticket
distribution. It’s a wonder Johnson finds time to make it to the hair
salon.

Johnson is so actively involved in so many areas, that the team’s
office staff recently was juggled to provide him with a second
secretary.

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/20...eginning.html/

Nice...Jerry is so full of it.

If he would have just been happy being a rich owner, he would have gotten at least 5 rings and been a legend in the NFL. His ego led him down the path of being a clown. Sad.

[Doomsay]

Originally Posted by Mr Cowboy

“Jimmy is coach and chief executive officer of the Dallas Cowboys,’” Jones told Miklasz. “Jimmy has the capacity to run major corporations, so he can certainly handle the Cowboys. It’s a unique situation, but he has unique abilities.”

In the excerpt below, Miklasz explains that Johnson’s powers extended well beyond the football field:

In fewer than 100 days at Valley Ranch, Johnson has:

*Fired Gil Brandt and reorganized the scouting department. Johnson
made each of the Cowboys’ 14 draft picks last month.

*Personally negotiated player contracts. The last time an NFL coach
handled contracts regularly was [George] Allen, in the early 1970s with the
Redskins.

*Taken over production of the Cowboys’ two weekly television shows;
he determined that the shows could be more profitable under a new
set-up and hired a new producer to coordinate the effort.

[View Full Quote]*Studied the team’s ticket operations. He recently reviewed the
list of complimentary tickets handed out under the previous regime and
decided to cut down. Johnson picked up the phone and began calling
total strangers, telling them their free tickets had been eliminated.

It’s hard to envision, say, a Buddy Ryan worrying about ticket
distribution. It’s a wonder Johnson finds time to make it to the hair
salon.

Johnson is so actively involved in so many areas, that the team’s
office staff recently was juggled to provide him with a second
secretary.

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/20...eginning.html/

Great find, semantics be damned.

[Randy White]

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich

It was a failure.

Shula had 24 of 26 seasons of .500+ teams before Jimmy came in.

In the 4 years prior to Jimmy, the Dolphins went 39-25 with Shula. In the 4 years with Jimmy, the Dolphins went 38-26.

They also had the largest playoff loss in NFL history.

Then Wannstedt takes over and the team goes 42-31.

And to top it off, Jimmy became a lameduck head coach in Miami, exactly what he was so in fear of with Jerry.

Jimmy essentially took a successful franchise and made it slightly less successful and turned it over to Wannstedt, who was more successful with Jay Fiedler as QB instead of Marino.

Anybody else find it ironic that those who point to our lack of success post-Jimmy find that Jimmy was successful in Miami?


YR

Don't destroy a good fantasy with facts... allow the kids to keep believing in fairy tales..

[Randy White]

Originally Posted by WPBCowboysFan

Jimmy has been venerated in Dallas.

In Miami/South Florida he is barely an afterthought. Even his Canes legacy took a bit of a hit. There was no hint of his magic in Miami.

In Dallas it was the right guy, at the right time, in the right place.

When you look at his Dallas tenure and his Miami tenure it is the perfect example to show that things have to go your way even if you're good. If they dont, you're not as good.

You're making me mad throwing all this facts and truths around... You're going to break up a perfectly, good fantasy..