Jimmy Johnson calls Jerry Jones' G.M. claims a "crock"

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

This organization makes decisions as a group.

This organization makes decisions as a group.

This organization makes decisions as a group.

This organization makes decisions as a group.

This organization makes decisions as a group.

Has it always happened this way?

[Andrei Kostitsyn]

Originally Posted by AdamJT13

The point of my post was that a bunch of what Jimmy said was completely false. If all he meant to say was that he should get all of the credit, then he should have said that. But everything I listed was exactly what he said and was completely false.

Everyone has known for the past two decades that Jimmy deserves most or all of the credit, but that doesn't make it OK for Jimmy to claim that Jerry wasn't the president or GM when he was here or that Jimmy was the personnel director. Winning two Super Bowls doesn't give you a license to flat-out lie.

I think it had more to do with calling Jerry out for claiming he will "always be the GM" because he "won 3 superbowls that way" and that he'll "do it again". He wasn't acting as a real GM at that time so unless he allows Jason the freedom Jimmy had, he's full of it.

We all know he's full of it. Just get a football guy in there to mentor Stephen and help this "group" out.

[Double Trouble]

Originally Posted by BHendri5

you know what I do not give a flying rat's *** who did what or who held what title, one could not do it without the other, hell Jerry hired Jimmy.

Jimmy should be grateful that Jerry gave him a chance in the NFL.

Yeah a college coach that just won a national championship and went like 44-4 the previous 4 years is fortunate to find any employment at all.....

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by McLovin

Why do you think this group is 125-126?

After the talent from the 90s faded, we never replaced it. Not having a franchise QB was a big part of that.

Larry Lacewell had actually recommended to give up an entire draft for Peyton Manning but was laughed out of the war room. He understood the importance of having a franchise QB like he did with Aikman and knew that they needed to have someone replace him when he was done playing.

He made the same recommendation when his younger brother Eli was entering the draft to Bill Parcells and was ignored again.

The bottom line is that all of the staffs that had been put together after Johnson have failed to have SB success.

Originally Posted by yimyammer

I just watched a crime show where a group of kids got in a fight with two guys, the two guys were overwhelmed by the group, so much so that one of the two guys died. When the kids were interviewed, none of them felt responsible for the murder and denied any guilt as none of them felt their punches or kicks could have caused the fatality.

No one was at fault but someone died.

Funny how a group dynamic works

Jerry has admitted to mistakes, as well as Stephen Jones.

[wileedog]

Originally Posted by AdamJT13

OK.

So when Jimmy said, "Jerry started putting all those titles on himself after I left," that's not literally what he meant. What he meant was "Jerry had all those titles before I left."

And when Jimmy said, "He didn’t call himself general manager and president and all that stuff when I was there," that's not literally what he meant. What he meant was, "Jerry called himself the general manager and president when I was there."

And when Jimmy said, "He was just the owner," that's not literally what he meant. What he meant was, "He was the owner, president and general manager."

And when Jimmy said, “I was the personnel director there with the Cowboys," that's not literally what he meant. What he meant was, "I was never the personnel director there with the Cowboys. Bob Ackles and Stephen Jones were."

[View Full Quote] I see. Good to know we can trust Jimmy to always tell the truth, even if it comes out of his mouth as completely false.

Again, you are completely missing the point.

Jerry might have put his title as GM in the media guide. Big friggin deal. If Jimmy had it in his contract he was in charge of players, then what Jerry puts in the media guide is irrelevant.

What Jimmy is saying now is that Jerry never before claimed that he was a GM who actually had any personnel evaluation duties. That is exactly what Jerry is claiming he had now.

You are getting caught up in what was printed in a media guide. The fact is back in the early 90's Jerry never claimed to be a personnel guy or that he had any sort of say in the draft. Now that he is under fire for 16 years of crap, he is claiming credit for personnel evaluation for the Superbowl years as a validation he can somehow do it again.

That is what Jimmy has a problem with, not stupid media guides or business card titles.

[Gameover]

Who cares!

[wileedog]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

This organization makes decisions as a group.

This organization makes decisions as a group.

This organization makes decisions as a group.

This organization makes decisions as a group.

This organization makes decisions as a group.

A group hired by, accountable to, and ultimately subjective to Jerry Jones.

Who was not hired by, accountable to, or subjective to anyone.

[Bleu Star]

Originally Posted by jgboys1

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones says he always has been and always will be the general manager in Dallas. The former Cowboys coach who won two Super Bowls in Dallas says Jones is full of it.
Jimmy Johnson, Jones’s former college teammate who was hired by Jones to coach the Cowboys shortly after Jones bought the franchise in 1989, said on the Dan Patrick Show that Jones may claim he has always called the shots, but that the Super Bowl-winning teams of the 1990s were actually built by Johnson.
[View Full Quote]“That is completely a bunch of crock,” Johnson said. “Jerry started putting all those titles on himself after I left. He didn’t call himself general manager and president and all that stuff when I was there. He was just the owner.


Read more.......

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...laims-a-crock/

Thanks for exposing the fraud Jimmy. I miss you.

[Cowboy_Shawn]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

And this is exactly what Hos has been saying since day 1 about TITLES in this organization.

The guy responsible for the talent evaluation is Tom Ciskowski.

This organization makes decisions as a group.

This was Bryan Broaddus' account of what happened in the 1998 draft when he watched the video of the war room as part of his job when he became a scout for the Dallas Cowboys.

For someone that is in charge of all personnel decisions as a GM, Jerry deferred with his Head Coach and WR Coach on the "final say" of not drafting Randy Moss despite wanting to draft him himself.

Nice attempt at a spin. That was then and this is now. He was GM by title then because he was so new to the league, but now that he’s been in the league for well over 20 years, he considers himself a walk-around coach.

And as Jimmy stated, it was in his CONTRACT that Jimmy had the final say on personnel decisions. Therefore, Jerry had no choice but to allow Jimmy to exercise his powers otherwise he’d have been in violation of the contract.

Again, as Jimmy pointed out, no other Cowboys coach has had that language in their contract since Jimmy departed. Therefore, Jerry has free reign to meddle and make decisions as he sees fit.

If it weren't for those contractual restrictions that limited Jerry's ability to interfere, I honestly believe we don't win those 3 Super Bowls in the 90s.

[Cowboy_Shawn]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

You can add Quincy Carter to that list.

Just listen to the McMahon interview. He said he makes the final decision regarding personel and that's the way it's always been done.

"I think that, uh, I know the best way to make decisions, and uh, for us, and uh, that's the best way"

What is commonly referred to as a "group decision" around here is basically just Jerry collecting input and going from there. Does anyone think that all the guys with input are 100% on the same page when it comes to player acquisition? We've heard stories of guys climbing on to the table to advocate for a player.

Someone has to make the final call. There are probably some relatively unanimous decisions but there's probably a fair number of contested opinions and when that happens, somebody has to overrule one side or the other.

Exactly. I have no doubt that Jerry considers input from the staff. However, he's too easily influenced by the loudest voice in the room or the last voice he hears.

It would be nice to have a GM in place who actually knows the game and is actually 100% dedicated to his role as a GM. Instead we're stuck with a part time GM.

I've said before that whereas a typical NFL GM may work 80 hours a week, Jerry probably only dedicates 30 hours a week to his GM duties because he too busy juggling other projects. Thus Dallas is never on an even playing field with other franchises in that regard.

[ScipioCowboy]

Originally Posted by wileedog

A group hired by, accountable to, and ultimately subjective to Jerry Jones.

Who was not hired by, accountable to, or subjective to anyone.

Absolutely right.

Having said that, I can't wait until we start having some more success around here. I'm going absolutely batty having to hear this same debate each and every year.

[Zordon]

this thread is depressing.

the documentary was depressing.

the current Dallas Cowboys are depressing.

[crazytown41]

I was hoping Jimmy would finally speak out after we all heard Jerry take credit for the 3 SB's on Sunday night.

Jimmy's been biting his tongue and taking the high road long enough.

I can only pray that finally exposing Jerry for the fraud that he is will knock some sense into him.

[crazytown41]

Originally Posted by PAINFROMUKRAINE

NO Super Bowl Rings with one of the ALL TIME Best QBs in NFL History. Playoffs does not mean Success. Go ask the Eagles Fans if Reid is a successful Coach. No Ring/Trophy means "Unsuccessful Season".

Yes. one of the best at the tail end of his career. You do realize Marino was a starting QB and made the SB in the early 80's right? Do the math.

[Cowboy_Shawn]

I just listened to the interview and Jimmy confirmed for me what I've always suspected.

Jimmy stated that during those first 3-4 years Jerry was so tied up with the financial aspects of the Cowboys and deals for the stadium that he wasn't that involved with the actual football team. He said Jerry didn't have time for that stuff back then.

Confirming what I've long suspected and argued here in the past.

Anyone who believed Jerry rolled into the NFL as a green GM with no football experience and immediately built a football dynasty is delusional. Jerry had been away from the game of football for over 20 years. He was nothing more than a businessman when he arrived in Dallas.

Frankly it's insulting that Jerry keeps throwing out those 3 Super Bowls as proof that his way works. It's as if he assumes we're too stupid to put 2 and 2 together.

This franchise would be a lot better off under different ownership.