Jimmy Johnson calls Jerry Jones' G.M. claims a "crock" - Page 7 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

Hoofbite · 11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by perrykemp

A failure who never once had a losing record in Miami.....

3 playoff appearances, winning a playoff game in 2 of those seasons.

Yep, what a disaster.

cajuncocoa · 11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by Alexander

I forgot about that.

Thank you for reminding me.

I love the timing.

It is going to be a rough few days ahead for Mister Jones.

Yes, but not as rough as I would like it to be.

When it's so rough that he can no longer continue to carry on this charade of his as a no-nothing general manager, and is embarrassed enough to give in and hand over the keys to someone who knows what he is doing, THEN it will be rough enough.

rocboy22 · 11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by Doomsay

Yup, technically correct, but irrelevant to how the team was run and who had the real influence under Jimmy's tenure. Jerry picked up Jimmy's toy, broke it, and hasn't fixed it since, because he doesn't have a clue how to run a team. Bill babysat for him for a few seasons and with good behavior, Jerry was able to get an even bigger playpen, now the partially repaired toy is all but busted again running off the dying power of a few stellar players brought in during the forced observation period of the past decade.

of course it's irrelevant to who actually ran the team. so??? none of that was ever in question. it was relevant to a portion of what Jimmy claimed, however, and the fact that this portion of what he claimed was not true.

Yakuza Rich · 11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by tyke1doe

Taking Adam at his word, he did back up his claim. But I don't know if I would question Jimmy's veracity. I doubt he probably even looked at the media guide, seeing how busy he was with other things.

I think Adam is right and the others are right.

Adam is responding to the letter of Jimmy's words. The others are responding to the meaning behind Jimmy's words.

I just don't understand why it was so hard for Jimmy to just swallow his pride and let Jerry believe that he had more influence than he did. I mean, what's the harm in that?

Everyone kinda knew who was behind the resurrection of the Cowboys. So wat if a billionaire owner wants to take a little credit in the franchise he bought.

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I vividly remember interviews with Jerry on TV, particularly ESPN where he was known as the owner, president and GM. I think it was very clear that Jimmy knew he had those titles.

I think the team in the 90's was built with Jimmy's vision, but he needed somebody to help execute the plan and get the players he wanted. Why? Because it would be an incredibly ridiculous undertaking for any single coach to do that...that's why other teams have GM's.

The real shame is that both guys cut their noses off to spite their face. Both lost out on a great opportunity to win numerous other Super Bowls and Jimmy went to Miami and failed...had the largest playoff loss in the history of the NFL and became exactly what he never wanted, a lame duck head coach in Miami because he couldn't get rid of Marino.

Regardless of who had what exact influence, I just don't see it translating to any real change in the structure of the Cowboys. The only way it can change is if it hits Jerry in the pocket. And I don't believe those who claim they hate Jerry have the stones to abolish themselves from watching the Cowboys or spending money on the Cowboys. It's like Dan Graziano stated, fans DO have a choice for what teams they root for. The real joke is on them because they often fail to realize that. And Jerry laughs all the way to the bank at their expense.

YR

PAINFROMUKRAINE · 11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by perrykemp

A failure who never once had a losing record in Miami.....

NO Super Bowl Rings with one of the ALL TIME Best QBs in NFL History. Playoffs does not mean Success. Go ask the Eagles Fans if Reid is a successful Coach. No Ring/Trophy means "Unsuccessful Season".

PAINFROMUKRAINE · 11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by Joe Rod

Maybe Jerry should develop a Superbowl Champion on his own and stick it to Jimmy. I think we would all be happier with that scenario.

True Statement. I am in full agreement.

birdwells1 · 11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by tyke1doe

Taking Adam at his word, he did back up his claim. But I don't know if I would question Jimmy's veracity. I doubt he probably even looked at the media guide, seeing how busy he was with other things.

I think Adam is right and the others are right.

Adam is responding to the letter of Jimmy's words. The others are responding to the meaning behind Jimmy's words.

I just don't understand why it was so hard for Jimmy to just swallow his pride and let Jerry believe that he had more influence than he did. I mean, what's the harm in that?

Everyone kinda knew who was behind the resurrection of the Cowboys. So wat if a billionaire owner wants to take a little credit in the franchise he bought.

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Well, because Jimmy has and ego to just like all coaches. He didn't come up through the ranks (started coaching in 1965), pay his dues on every level (including high school) to watch some guy that made his money in the oil field take the credit for his work.

Coaching cred and becoming a "football guy" are things that can't be bought no matter how much money you have and that's something that Jerry's seeks but will never get.

**Idgit** · 11-07-2012

The topic of Jerry's role when it comes to a coach disciplining players or benching players during a game is one I'd actually like to see the Dallas media go crazy with for a change. Hear what Jason has to say about his authority in that regard, and why he choses to keep players who make game-swinging mental errors in the game. Hear what Jerry is willing to say on record about Jason's ability to bench whoever he wants, whenever he wants.

I'm pretty sure they'll both say it's up to Jason, but I'd like to hear it for the record. If it's not an area where JG has complete autonomy, then it's a hell of an actual criticism of Jerry Jones as a GM/owner. Much of that directionless criticism I don't listen to, but this would be valid criticism in my book.

One other semi-interesting point Darren Woodson made on Cowherd this morning was that Jerry does such a good job of taking care of his guys that there's no 'meat' hanging out there for guys to play for. Not sure how much that bears out, but it's another tidbit worth mulling over.

Might it be that there are a couple of procedural changes Jerry's been unwilling to make that aren't necessarily deal-breakers for his ego but that could have a positive effect on the team going forward?

rocboy22 · 11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by birdwells1

Much respect Adam but it sounds like you take umberage to Jimmy's claim that Jerry had nothing to do with building nor coaching the 90's Cowboys.

I say this because you are disputing titles when title don't really matter. Your posts seem rather hostile.

this is absolutely ridiculous. why do so many people have a problem with reading what someone has written and taking it for what is says???? why put your own meaning into it???

Ultimategamer5567 · 11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by Hoofbite

3 playoff appearances, winning a playoff game in 2 of those seasons.

Yep, what a disaster.

And in sixteen years, we have a grand total of one playoff win.

Clove · 11-07-2012

Jimmy's ENTIRE body of work for 16 years until he retired, speaks for itself.
Jerry's body of work also speaks for itself, over the last 16 years.

Jerry is about to destroy the fan base of this franchise now.

houstonwhodat · 11-07-2012

I want to know who was responsible for Leon Lett?

That clown cost me 2000.00 on a Super Bowl pot.

Yakuza Rich · 11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by Hoofbite

3 playoff appearances, winning a playoff game in 2 of those seasons.

Yep, what a disaster.

It was a failure.

Shula had 24 of 26 seasons of .500+ teams before Jimmy came in.

In the 4 years prior to Jimmy, the Dolphins went 39-25 with Shula. In the 4 years with Jimmy, the Dolphins went 38-26.

They also had the largest playoff loss in NFL history.

Then Wannstedt takes over and the team goes 42-31.

And to top it off, Jimmy became a lameduck head coach in Miami, exactly what he was so in fear of with Jerry.

Jimmy essentially took a successful franchise and made it slightly less successful and turned it over to Wannstedt, who was more successful with Jay Fiedler as QB instead of Marino.

Anybody else find it ironic that those who point to our lack of success post-Jimmy find that Jimmy was successful in Miami?

YR

birdwells1 · 11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by rocboy22

this is absolutely ridiculous. why do so many people have a problem with reading what someone has written and taking it for what is says???? why put your own meaning into it???

Because I can.

JakeCamp12 · 11-07-2012

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Originally Posted by Idgit

One other semi-interesting point Darren Woodson made on Cowherd this morning was that Jerry does such a good job of taking care of his guys that there's no 'meat' hanging out there for guys to play for. Not sure how much that bears out, but it's another tidbit worth mulling over.

This is one of the LARGE issues, besides the inconsistent drafting that we do.