Jimmy Johnson calls Jerry Jones' G.M. claims a "crock"

[Yakuza Rich]

Originally Posted by Dave_in-NC

Jimmy had to deal with an aging Marino, aged out really.

No coach could have won with an aged out Aikman.
You just couldn't run either out of town though.

That's why Jimmy made a terrible decision.

He didn't want to become that lame duck coach. And that's exactly what happened. He went to Miami, didn't like Marino and was held hostage by Marino.

But to me, what's worse...being held as a lameduck player by the owner who is paying you millions (also gave you your first job in the NFL when everybody viewed you as a joke and held onto you after a 1-15 season, unprecedented at the time)......OR.....being made a lameduck by a certain player on the team.

Congrats Jimmy, you just walked into your own personal landmine. But you were right though.






YR

[Doomsay]

Originally Posted by rocboy22

of course it's irrelevant to who actually ran the team. so??? none of that was ever in question. it was relevant to a portion of what Jimmy claimed, however, and the fact that this portion of what he claimed was not true.

Yeah, I guess it's a matter of translation. Although Jerry was listed in the media guide as president - general manager, did he "run around calling himself the general manager".....

i.e. was it just a meaningless paper title since Jimmy was the de-facto director of player personnel?

[Diogenes]

Originally Posted by Rack Bauer

I'd take Jimmy as the GM of the cowboys over Jerry right now. Anyone who says they wouldn't is flat out lying.

Of course most of us would in a heartbeat, but don't sell the blind followers short. It's more fun to argue about who had which "official" title on their business card instead of who did the real work. And now Jimmy's credibility comes into question because he didn't have all the official titles correct?

This place amuses me.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich

It was a failure.

Shula had 24 of 26 seasons of .500+ teams before Jimmy came in.

In the 4 years prior to Jimmy, the Dolphins went 39-25 with Shula. In the 4 years with Jimmy, the Dolphins went 38-26.

They also had the largest playoff loss in NFL history.

Then Wannstedt takes over and the team goes 42-31.

And to top it off, Jimmy became a lameduck head coach in Miami, exactly what he was so in fear of with Jerry.

Jimmy essentially took a successful franchise and made it slightly less successful and turned it over to Wannstedt, who was more successful with Jay Fiedler as QB instead of Marino.

Anybody else find it ironic that those who point to our lack of success post-Jimmy find that Jimmy was successful in Miami?




YR

Jimmy had took over a team with 35 year old Dan Marino whose skills were eroding, but still stayed as a pass first team.

Marino also had arm issues that left him little more than Brad Johnson with the Cowboys.

his last 4 yr QB ratings were 87, 80, 80 and 67 with 12 TDs vs 17Ints in 1999.

Can't blame Jimmy for all of that. He was there 4 years and took the team to the playoffs the last 3 years. And won 2 playoff games

[SultanOfSix]

Jimmy had the advantage of the Walker trade and just coming out of college so he knew the talent well. Also, he got lucky on a few picks, like drafting Emmitt when the player he actually wanted went to another team. The Charles Haley trade was brokered by Jerry, which put us over the top.

Jerry and Jimmy had too much success to fast and it spoiled the fan base and split them up. Since Jimmy left until Parcells was hired Jerry has been a terrible GM. But since that time we've just been unfortunate to waste our opportunities from the talent Parcells built. That 13-3 team was a completely blown opportunity, and even though we lost that game, Wade helped us win a playoff game. From there we began faltering again, but I highly doubt Jerry is solely to blame. Jerry is a different GM post Jimmy than post Parcells. A GM is responsible for managing the entire team, so that goes for hiring coaches and listening to input from all representatives that he trusts - otherwise, he wouldn't hire them. As for why we are in the situation we are in, I think it's more of a problem than just having Jerry as a GM. We've been rather unlucky, and even though things look down right now, and I've been down on Garrett I have hope that things are turning around with better acquisition of talent. We've just been plagued by the injury bug and some learning impedance that we're going to have to live with.

[Yakuza Rich]

Originally Posted by McLovin

He was there 4 years and took the team to the playoffs the last 3 years. And won 2 playoff games

We can blame Jimmy for that.

He was the one that left the Cowboys to coach the Dolphins. I would think that Marino guy would have crossed his mind as a person he would have to deal with.





YR

[RS12]

Originally Posted by Diogenes

Of course anyone with half a brain realizes that was the case. Amazingly though, there are still plenty of blind sheep that follow and believe in Jerry Jones.

There is a few die hards, one in particular that is sure to dispute this.

[DrKennethNoisewater]

Jimmy did not leave to coach the Dolphins...he left because of the friction between him and Jerry. If he had left to coach the Dolphins he would not have done 2 years of TV prior to taking the Miami job.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich

That's why Jimmy made a terrible decision.

He didn't want to become that lame duck coach. And that's exactly what happened. He went to Miami, didn't like Marino and was held hostage by Marino.

The worst decision Jimmy made was rocking the boat in Dallas after the Cowboys won their second consecutive SB which led to him leaving a great situation and entering a bad one in Miami. Had Jimmy not got so full of himself and stayed with the Cowboys he might have won 4 straight SB's that would have put him on a level no head coach had ever reached. It all resulted in Jimmy's coaching career ending on a sour note with a 62-7 loss to Jacksonville in the 99 playoffs.

[birdwells1]

Originally Posted by SultanOfSix

Jimmy had the advantage of the Walker trade and just coming out of college so he knew the talent well. Also, he got lucky on a few picks, like drafting Emmitt when the player he actually wanted went to another team. The Charles Haley trade was brokered by Jerry, which put us over the top.

[View Full Quote]Jerry and Jimmy had too much success to fast and it spoiled the fan base and split them up. Since Jimmy left until Parcells was hired Jerry has been a terrible GM. But since that time we've just been unfortunate to waste our opportunities from the talent Parcells built. That 13-3 team was a completely blown opportunity, and even though we lost that game, Wade helped us win a playoff game. From there we began faltering again, but I highly doubt Jerry is solely to blame. Jerry is a different GM post Jimmy than post Parcells. A GM is responsible for managing the entire team, so that goes for hiring coaches and listening to input from all representatives that he trusts - otherwise, he wouldn't hire them. As for why we are in the situation we are in, I think it's more of a problem than just having Jerry as a GM. We've been rather unlucky, and even though things look down right now, and I've been down on Garrett I have hope that things are turning around with better acquisition of talent. We've just been plagued by the injury bug and some learning impedance that we're going to have to live with.

The part of the interview that is being neglected is when Jimmy talks about the "country club" atmosphere that's in Dallas. When Jiimy came aboard he knew that only about 10% of the players were self motivated and the other 90% had to be motived. As he said, the best motivation was fear, fear of losing your job, of being embarassed, or of being demoted. Fear is what got those talented 90's teams to play up to their potential. Who, in Dallas now, do the players fear? That's the reason this team hasn't turned it around.

[Doomsay]

Well this didn't take long, looks eerily familiar, as if someone called it in.


Jimmy Johnson gets facts wrong about Jerry Jones



http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowbo...ts-facts-wrong

[birdwells1]

Originally Posted by RS12

There is a few die hards, one in particular that is sure to dispute this.

Since season has taken a downward turn a lot of folks have went into hiding.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich

We can blame Jimmy for that.

He was the one that left the Cowboys to coach the Dolphins. I would think that Marino guy would have crossed his mind as a person he would have to deal with.





YR

Hindsight

If you were just out of a contentious job w/ both having 2 egos, the allure of a HOF QB would seem like the path to quickest success. Before he took the Miami gig, I would have assumed he had good conversations w/ Marino and Shula, etc.

He should have taken the Jacksonville gig - but I can understanbd the decision at the time

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by Diogenes

Of course most of us would in a heartbeat, but don't sell the blind followers short. It's more fun to argue about who had which "official" title on their business card instead of who did the real work. And now Jimmy's credibility comes into question because he didn't have all the official titles correct?

This place amuses me.

Look GM is just a title, Tom Ciskowski does all the real work around here.

[Everlastingxxx]

@JimmyJohnson

“...point made was who made football decisions regardless of titles”

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