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11-08-2012
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Originally Posted by windward
If it's a vet we're after, Greg Jennings and Wes Welker are the two most notable FAs available. If we could snag Welker, I have a feeling he'd be Tony's new best friend.
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I'd take Greg Jennings over Welker any day, if only because we already have a really good slot receiver in Austin and zero outside help.
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11-08-2012
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Mega kudos!
Thought we'd lost you
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11-08-2012
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Thanks CS for the post. Greatly appreciated.
I think Romo is in the early stages of the Jim Everett disease. He feels the rush even when he can step up. And this is a trust issue: he doesn't trust his interior line to give him a pocket and he doesn't trust his outside options to be where they're supposed to be. The dumbing down of the offense to suit his dumb receivers must be eating at him. Can you imagine New England or Denver dumbing down their offenses? Brady and Manning would have none of that and Romo shouldn't either. It's definitely a shame that at this stage of his career he has to put up with this stuff.
"I could've done a $2 billion takeover (in another industry) with the capital I put in the Dallas Cowboys," he says. "I really could see (myself as) the idiot who had something real good, who blew it all to coach the Cowboys. I just knew that was going to be my legacy." Jerry Jones 9/14/2012
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/c...ore/57780004/1
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11-08-2012
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Great post.
I appreciate the words on Garrett. I've been very critical of him, but sometimes, a little perspective is nice. Perhaps I'll give him a little more leeway.
And re: Romo. It's sucks to read, but we've all been watching the same games. He's pretty clearly not himself.
I think you can explain his performance by simply saying he's uncomfortable. He doesn't look comfortable in the pocket, obviously, he doesn't look comfortable with his receivers, he doesn't look comfortable with the offense, and he just doesn't look comfortable playing. He has kind of a resigned look in his eyes lately.
It's hard work being a father, but I wouldn't blame his fatherhood for his poor play. Especially because it's also extremely hard work being a starting NFL QB. Romo's a professional and I sincerely doubt having a child would have such a profound impact on his performance.
I'd say it's more to do with pressure, in the literal and figurative sense, coming from all angles. When pressure is applied to a person--and especially a QB--from everywhere, that person is going to be uncomfortable.
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11-08-2012
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Originally Posted by silver
I think Romo is in the early stages of the Jim Everett disease.
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My goodness, I had the same Jim Everett comparison thought myself a few times this season.
I never voiced it because mainly because I didn't think most of the folks on CZ even remembered Jim Everett.
I support your statement!
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11-08-2012
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Originally Posted by perrykemp
My goodness, I had the same Jim Everett comparison thought myself a few times this season.
I never voiced it because mainly because I didn't think most of the folks on CZ even remembered Jim Everett.
I support your statement!
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thanks, LOL. but seriously, he's going through the early stages of that. been beat up and battered round (like the travelin wilburies song)
"I could've done a $2 billion takeover (in another industry) with the capital I put in the Dallas Cowboys," he says. "I really could see (myself as) the idiot who had something real good, who blew it all to coach the Cowboys. I just knew that was going to be my legacy." Jerry Jones 9/14/2012
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/c...ore/57780004/1
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11-08-2012
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What I've seen of Tony this year, he doesn't look like he's using the ability to play. It looks to me like it's certain types of passes he's sailing (mostly throws to the flat or crossing routes to his left), and then he's pretty clearly hesitant to throw to two of his WRs, which adds an additional burden to his split-second decision making process. It's making him less effective.
I'd guess his physical problem is probably either mechanical, or he's got a nagging muscle issue of some sort that affects his mechanics in certain situations. And I suspect the later, but I don't know enough about QB mechanics to say what it might be.
When asked whether Jason Garrett is the right head coach for this team: "I don't think there is anyone else that could. I think he is an unbelievable coach. We've responded to him and he has made us better football players, better people. If you watch us I think we play with a certain relentless spirit." --Sean Lee
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11-08-2012
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If you ever read the book Seabiscuit by Laura Hillenbrand, they go into great detail about his main racing rival War Admiral that they really didn't touch upon as much in the movie adaptation. War Admiral physically was a labratory specimen of a horse, but but he had one Achilles Heal that the Seabiscuit team was able to exploit ... he was just very high strung in his mental hardwiring (not unlike his father. Man of War, who is probably the greatest thoroughbred of all time). He was prone to bouts of frenzy. He went crazy when they put him in the claustrophic starting gate, and was prone to injuring himself. Dez reminds me of War Admiral, and I think teams exploit it. His very first catch in the Giants game, the Giants DB gives him a little half a shove while he was on the ground to get him wound up, and Dez predictably retaliated and went into a frenzy. No more able to ignore the bait than a cat is able to ignore the dancing feather in front of him. He might be doing the right things in practices and training camp and mini-camps, but that all goes for naught when he's frothing the the mouth and not thinking clearly in the heat of competition. The older I get the more I realize how people can change consciously make changes in their routines and habits through diligence and self awareness, but more times than not people are beholden to their natural hardwired personalities, and it gives me less hope for Dez. At this point I kind of look at him as a sunk cost that they Cowboys are going to keep going to hoping for the payoff.
I've been a Day 1 Romo fan dating back to the Romo vs. Henson days, but I agree something is off this year. I do think he's probably got a mechanical flaw (but then again he's never been a picture of perfect mechanics), but in a bigger picture he's not even the same person in persona and mannerisms. When he was his younger self everyone jumped on him for being too happy go lucky and carefree. I personally long for the days of the hat-on-backwards, going to Cabbo during the bye week, needling Parcells for being an old dinosaur Romo we got to know 5-6 years ago. It almost takes that kind of open defiance of gravity to play under this spotlight. Now he look like a guy with who fully realizes he's got one of the world's most visible franchises on his back. Chalk it up to being a new father, husband, playing for his last contract, knowing his window is closing ... but there is an air of beatendown, quiet desperation about him.

Despite labeling myself a "realist", no one understands my pain or appreciates my special truth. Stupid world.
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If you ever read the book Seabiscuit by Laura Hillenbrand, they go into great detail about his main racing rival War Admiral that they really didn't touch upon as much in the movie adaptation. War Admiral physically was a labratory specimen of a horse, but but he had one Achilles Heal that the Seabiscuit team was able to exploit ... he was just very high strung in his mental hardwiring (not unlike his father. Man of War, who is probably the greatest thoroughbred of all time). He was prone to bouts of frenzy. He went crazy when they put him in the claustrophic starting gate, and was prone to injuring himself. Dez reminds me of War Admiral, and I think teams exploit it. His very first catch in the Giants game, the Giants DB gives him a little half a shove while he was on the ground to get him wound up, and Dez predictably retaliated and went into a frenzy. No more able to ignore the bait than a cat is able to ignore the dancing feather in front of him. He might be [View Full Quote]doing the right things in practices and training camp and mini-camps, but that all goes for naught when he's frothing the the mouth and not thinking clearly in the heat of competition. The older I get the more I realize how people can change consciously make changes in their routines and habits through diligence and self awareness, but more times than not people are beholden to their natural hardwired personalities, and it gives me less hope for Dez.
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I think it has often been noted that Dez can get bumped pretty easily and frustrated with early press coverage, which is shocking considering his physical ability. You can't be a WR like he is, already a poor route runner, and then throw in the ability to get frustrated by a little press.
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Originally Posted by InmanRoshi
If you ever read the book Seabiscuit by Laura Hillenbrand, they go into great detail about his main racing rival War Admiral that they really didn't touch upon as much in the movie adaptation....
Chalk it up to being a new father, husband, playing for his last contract, knowing his window is closing ... but there is an air of beatendown, quiet desperation about him.
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Both great points IR.
I especially agree about Romo appearing beaten down. He used to have a lot of energy, enthusiasm for the sport. But it appears the pressures of the position may have gotten to him. Has a bit of a 'here we go again...' look to him. Now that I think of it, Miles too seems to have lost his smile. Are they taking things too seriously? Are they too tight (or, not loose enough)?
And Dez just is not getting it. If someone could get through to him, he'd be a star. But it won't happen here. Like you said, some people just can't overcome how they're wired. Especially when there is no change made in their life to necessitate that kind of transformation.
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I agree with IR on both points. Though, re: Romo, it's not exactly a mystery that it's not as much fun throwing when you're not winning and your WRs aren't where they're supposed to be. I think if we were 6-2 right now, he'd be outwardly a lot happier. It's got to be heartbreaking to try so hard and keep coming up just short against good teams.
When asked whether Jason Garrett is the right head coach for this team: "I don't think there is anyone else that could. I think he is an unbelievable coach. We've responded to him and he has made us better football players, better people. If you watch us I think we play with a certain relentless spirit." --Sean Lee
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Kudos
One of the best threads ever.
Good work, guys. Very informative and thought-provoking.
No whiners.
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I agree with IR on both points. Though, re: Romo, it's not exactly a mystery that it's not as much fun throwing when you're not winning and your WRs aren't where they're supposed to be. I think if we were 6-2 right now, he'd be outwardly a lot happier. It's got to be heartbreaking to try so hard and keep coming up just short against good teams.
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To put a crude point on it, I had a college buddy who used to say "I condone 'dating' (paraphrasing) ugly people to break out of a slump". Other than Carolina, the first half of the schedule hasn't provided many uglies to break out of a slump.
And I definitely think seasoned intelligent vet WR should be a high priority this offseason. I thought it should have been a priority this offseason, which is why I was advocating a Jabar Gaffney type of guy. We got a receiving core full of Alvin Harpers, and no Kelvin Martins (much less Michael Irvin) .

Despite labeling myself a "realist", no one understands my pain or appreciates my special truth. Stupid world.
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11-08-2012
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This offense is flawed, it's designed to be a running offense that makes you pick your poison between defending the run or stopping the pass. The problem is teams are stopping the run with 7, and sometimes 6 guys. Until the running game comes back, this offense will continue to go nowhere.
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In a nut shell. Also Romo has happy feet from playing behind a bunch of turn styles for years. BTW NFL scout and machine shop oporater, talk about diversity.
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Originally Posted by couchscout
I truly wish I had more time this season to report to you guys the things I see on a game by game basis, I just don't. I've got this new scouting business and all the stuff they are asking me to do, and my dad has started a machine shop and has asked me to help with it. I'm busier than I've ever been in any point in my life. However, I set aside time tonight specifically to write this for those of you who have been PMing me asking all kinds of questions. I haven't forgotten about you guys, or given up on this team, just have to much work to do. Let's get started shall we.
Not Quite Romo -
[View Full Quote]The Tony Romo I've seen in film study this year is not the Tony Romo I saw all of last year. He's not the same player, and it's really not close. Last years Romo could have won you a Super Bowl with the right players around him. This years Romo might lead you to the playoffs and have a semi-exciting loss in the first round if he had the right players around him. He's missing. Missing throws, missing reads, missing Laurent Robinson. I wrote last year that if Dez didn't improve dramatically on the mental part of the game that Romo would start ignoring him. Well folks, we're there. Romo has gone into full blown Dez ignore mode. He has consistently ignored a wide open and beyond the sticks Dez for a shorter throw to someone (anyone) else. His passes are sailing on him. For the first time in his entire career, that playmaker magic is all but gone. I've even seen him consciously giving up on plays this season. I don't know what it is, maybe it's age, maybe it's being a father, maybe it's all the people in his ear, I dunno, but he's not the same player. I cannot begin to describe to you how much it hurts to say this. This is a player I've loved and defended since day one. I saw him throw one pass in a preseason game against Jacksonville before anyone knew who he was, and I instantly said to my friend "that right there, that's what we need. Did you see that? His back foot hit on his drop and the ball came out, on time, accurate, and to the right person." I started following him from that moment, and started believing he was the one to put us back on top shortly after. That faith started wavering for the first time this season. I'm not saying it's over, he could turn it around, but he has a hole to climb out of.
Speaking of Holes -
I said it last year, and I'll repeat it again. Miles Austin has a hole in his catch radius. It's shoulder wide, starts at the top of his numbers and ends at the top of his face mask opening. If you throw the ball that small area, he's gonna drop it every time. It's uncanny. Go back and look at his drops, it's flat out crazy. And speaking of Austin, he's so miscast in this offense it's insane. He's a slot WR, that's what he is. He doesn't need to be on the outside. He can win out there, and he can have success out there, but that's not what he's built to do. He's a big slot guy. My guess is that his designation as an outside guy has to do with a combination of his salary and a lack of overall talent as his position. This guy needs to be used in this offense the way Wes Welker is used in his. On the inside down after down creating mismatches and making life easier for the guys outside.
Sigh -
Dez. Sigh. That's all I can really say. I saw it coming, I tried hard to rationalize and say if he does this, if the Cowboys do that, etc. I think the overall truth is, that despite his immense talent, and his what seems to be a sincere desire to get better and the fact that he plays with more heart than the rest of the team combined...the man just isn't smart enough to be an NFL WR. Now, I have no proof of this, all of that is based purely on film eval. Yeah, he's gonna do some awesome things, and he'll have a big game or two before it's all said and done, but it won't be consistent enough to rely on. For some reason people don't seem to understand how important intelligence is in the NFL, especially at WR. You don't have to be a genius, but a certain level is needed. As I said before, I haven't completely given up on Dez, and I will never completely give up on any player (that's the coach in me), but there isn't much faith left.
Murray and Felix -
Last year Kosier almost single handedly killed our running game with an assist from Costa, this year its Ryan Cook, with an assist from Vickers. Murray is clearly the better player, and like many I've been really down on Jones this season. He still has some unique skills, but it's just not enough. I have a little observation on him to share with you guys. I've noticed that when he has the ball with a defender in front of him and he's jogging/running slow trying to set the guy up for a move, it literally NEVER works. He's tackled every time. Now, when he busts through the line at full speed and there is a defender on him, he makes guys miss at full speed at a rate I don't think I've ever seen. It's usually the opposite, if I have time to set a guy up, I can make him miss, but if I'm running full speed ahead, there isn't time to set a guy up. Watch for that. Especially those flare routes, when is the last time he made someone miss on those? Can't wait for Murrays return.
Vickers - Hasn't been even a portion of what he was advertised to be. Can't believe how average he's been. I have no clue why. He isn't blowing up LBs with anywhere near the frequency we were told he would. So far this is a total waste of a roster spot. John Phillips could do his job with pretty much the exact same mediocre results.
Free - Started out like crap, progressed to below average and is now fairly steady. If he can just maintain his level of play where it is right now, he won't be the reason the offense can't move the ball. If he keeps improving he could be the reason why the offense takes off.
Berny - The very definition of average. Serviceable.
Cook - Pretty good pass protector, abysmal run blocker. Might be better at RT. Admirable the way he's filled in this season. Would be excellent depth.
Livings - Exactly as advertised, up and down. He has very good moments, and some not so stellar moments. He and Smith still haven't gelled. Seems to be getting a little more consistent as the season wears on. Would probably be helped tremendously by better C play.
Smith - Has gotten better all season. Still has both mental and physical gaffes each game. Has all pro potential. Still just a kid, and definitely still learning. Fun to watch, his athletic ability is unreal.
Phil Costus -
His injury has cost us the first half of the season. I told you guys last season that people were being way too hard on him. Now you guys know what truly terrible C play looks like (at least in the running game). Not only was he not nearly as bad as people said last year, he's one of, if not the most improved player on the team this season. What little playing time he's had this season has been excellent. I'm talking top 6-8 C in the league excellent. It was always a technique thing with him, he has to play technically perfect because of his short arms. If he does though, he has everything else you want. It's too damn bad he's missed so much time, we might be sitting at 5-3 instead of 3-5. His presence in the running game is probably worth that.
Bruce Lee -
Wow, it's too damn bad we have to wait till next season to watch these two play together again. In all honesty (and it's probably a terrible thing to say), Lee's injury is probably the best thing that could have happened for Carter. It forced him to grow up overnight. It forced him to be more of a leader. It forced him to start becoming what he could be much much faster. I just want to say for the record, that I said very very early last season that we could have a Bowman-Willis type combination with these two...before everyone started picking up on it this year. My arm hurts...probably from patting my own back. If you love defense, you're gonna love having these two for the next 8+ years. The scary thought: Neither of them have really scratched the surface of what they could be.
Coleman - Steady, nothing special. Likely to be replaced in the offseason.
Ratliff - What we've seen so far has been incredible. He's pushing the pocket like he's 25 again. Hope the injury doesn't cost him much more time.
Brent - Up and down. Some weeks he fights off blocks and makes tackles, stuffs holes, and generates pressure. Some weeks he catches blocks and watches RBs run right past him. Needs to put it all together. Definitely another player that proves this front office can find those diamonds.
Crawford - Has been a revelation. He's not perfect, and he's nowhere near as good as he could be yet, but he's been very very good for a rookie. He'll start next year. Could be the pressure player we've been looking for at DE.
Lissemore - Started very strong, the injury is a damn shame. Would be interesting to see a starting DL of Lissemore - Ratliff - Crawford next year.
Is Spencer Worth It -
That's the 9 million dollar question isn't it? I think we all see what happens to this defense when he's injured (his lack of an injury history is one of the more underrated things about him), but does that make him worth 9 mil? If I had my guess, I would say the Cowboys would love to resign him this year to a mid level contract, 5 years 30 mil, something like that. It will be very interesting to see what offers he gets if he's allowed to shop the open market. He's not the pressure player all of his want him to be. I will however say this, with the defensive line I talked about a second ago, he wouldn't have to be. He could be the run defender we all know him to be, help in coverage, help with the pass rush and get paid decent. I have a suspicion he's chomping at the bit to go somewhere and get paid really well to be their pass rush star. We shall see.
Ware - Still awesome, still needs a stronger inside pass rush move.
Carr - For the most part he's been very very good. He's gotten burned a few times, which they all do, but he hasn't been consistently beaten like a drum like Newman was the latter half of last year. I would love to see what he could do if the offense really took off and started putting other teams into desperation mode. Great ball denial CB.
Claiborne - Best defensive player in this draft, and has proven it consistently. His ability to stay right in the WR's pocket is really something to watch. He's got a few areas he needs to improve (zone coverage, carrying WR's across the formation, tackling), but he's already the best DB on this team. Barring injury or some off field stuff we don't know about, he will be a super star. Claiborne makes the NFL Rewind package worth the $70 all by himself. Seriously, get it, watch him, pick up your jaw.
Scandrick - Improvement over last year is pretty stark. Not anywhere near the liability he's previously been in his career. Of course, he was one of the big goats last week, so that's fresh in people's memory (including mine), but it doesn't change the fact that he's been erasing slot WR's all season.
Jenkins - Been pretty good when asked to play. Attitude is not great, but his effort has not noticeably waned. Still a pathetic tackler, and somewhat of a coward when it comes to sticking his head in there, but he's a reliable man coverage defender.
Sensy, McCray, Chruch -
Chruch started out on fire which I think we all know. It's too bad all that momentum has been erased. I'm sure I'm not the only one excited to see him return next season. Sensy has been Sensy, a good man defender, a mediocre to bad zone coverage defender and a lousy to mediocre tackler. McCray has held up as well as I think is possible for him. He's limited physically and from an ability/instincts standpoint. More depth is needed at this position.
Overall -
This offense is flawed, it's designed to be a running offense that makes you pick your poison between defending the run or stopping the pass. The problem is teams are stopping the run with 7, and sometimes 6 guys. Until the running game comes back, this offense will continue to go nowhere. The defense is on the verge of being special. Not sure it will happen this year with McCray starting. The one place we couldn't afford injuries on this defense was safety, maybe Johnson turns out to be something, if he doesn't it's gonna set this team back. We've got to find some safety production somewhere. It sucks that the team as a whole has suffered injuries at all the exact positions we could least afford them (S, C, RB), but thems the breaks. Unless something turns around really damn quick, this season will be a complete loss.
I will do my best to answer questions or respond to comments as usual. If I don't get to yours, I apologize, I just have too many things going on. Thanks again to all those who have supported me both publicly and behind the scenes, you guys have kept me interested and involved, and definitely kept me on my toes with all your questions.
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Wow. you nailed it on all accounts. Bravo! & thanks for summing it all up nicely. 
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