What team is 6th in offense & 5th in defense in the NFL? - Page 5 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

Cowboys&LakersFan · 11-08-2012

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Originally Posted by Kilyin

We rank 30th in the NFL in creating turnovers. Sure, the offense needs to play better, but you don't think that's a problem? And this goes back to the Parcells era, it's not just this year. We just don't take the ball away.

The Bears and Falcons are ranked #1 and #4 in the league respectively in takeaways. That's a big reason why they're the top 2 teams currently in the NFC.

Not nearly as big of a problem as the turnovers on offense. If it wasn't for all those turnovers we'd be right up there with Atlanta and Chicago in the NFC. I agree it'd be nice to see the defense create some turnovers, but when you look at how good they've done against some great offenses this season like Atlanta and New York you have to be satisfied with their performance.

dexternjack · 11-08-2012

Our defense is good enough IF we had a good offense who had minimal TO's, scoring more than 18 pts a game. The defense has played good overall except getting the turnovers.

That mix will yield a .500 team almost every season. The way it stands now is the defense is good enough to keep us in most games but not dominant enough to win them for us.

If both sides did their part in the TO game, it would be a very different team.

**Idgit** · 11-08-2012

I was *so* sure this thread was going to turn out to be a positive one. Nah, just kidding.

Hoofbite · 11-08-2012

The scoring against the defense has been pretty good.

Total points against Dallas is 180.

3 INTs for TDs.

1 Blocked Punt

1 KR for TD

And there's probably been a number of FGs that were basically handed out.

And a couple TDs on short fields. Wouldn't shock me if the offense has handed out about 50 points this season.

That would put the total on the defense at about 130 or 16 points per game.

It's also kind of surprising that Dallas really hasn't built much of a lead to allow the defense to really pin their ears back.

dexternjack · 11-08-2012

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Originally Posted by Hoofbite

It's also kind of surprising that Dallas really hasn't built much of a lead to allow the defense to really pin their ears back.

I would love to see other teams play catch-up and see what our defense really is capable of. That would probably create more TO's for us.

RS12 · 11-08-2012

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Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

The 3-5 Cowboys.

Turnovers... penalties... bad special teams.

See if you can guess what all that is a sign of?

The Realist · 11-08-2012

Jason Campo is a perfect example of a do less with more coach.

He is clueless.

The offense gets worse year after year with him despite adding a number of high picks inlcuding 3 first rounders.

Sparano and Payton were and still are light years ahead of this guy, but Jerry didn't want them. His ego has to have it be "his" guy vs a Parcells guy. He's still trying to prove to people it was him and not Jimmy.

McLovin · 11-08-2012

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Originally Posted by Hoofbite

Not exactly sure what the comparison is.

Dallas is not scoring points, and hasnt been a top scorer since 2007 (2010 w/Kitna being an exception

McLovin · 11-08-2012

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Originally Posted by dexternjack

I would love to see other teams play catch-up and see what our defense really is capable of. That would probably create more TO's for us.

Would require scoring early....so longshot

Blackspider214 · 11-08-2012

Just goes to show you, there is more to sports than just stats on paper. Those rankings don't mean jack.

Seven · 11-08-2012

This is exactly why I maintain that stats r worthless

Man!! We're kickin some serious ***, right?

Not.

SkinsandTerps · 11-08-2012

Basing a defense on yardage...yeah...doesn't work in general.

As a few have stated, you have to at least add turnovers, 3rd down conversions, 4th down conversions, pressures, sacks, etc.

I haven't even looked at the offensive side of the debate...but I have a feeling drops and turnovers would dismiss that part too.

**Idgit** · 11-08-2012

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Originally Posted by Seven

This is exactly why I maintain that stats r worthless

Man!! We're kickin some serious ***, right?

Not.

It's which stats you look at that matter; what correlates better with won/loss records: yardage differential, or turnovers?

See, stats can tell you something, after all, if you know what to look for.

rocyaice · 11-09-2012

I wonder how much of our yards come from having to make up for so many 1st and 20's and so on and so forth?

rocyaice · 11-09-2012

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Originally Posted by Seven

This is exactly why I maintain that stats r worthless

Man!! We're kickin some serious ***, right?

Not.

Stats aren't worthless. They tell a lot. Stats say we are one of the worst scoring offenses in the league. And that's not a lie.