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gimmesix · 11-12-2012

This is what I hate about announcers/fans saying (at this point) a team is finished if it doesn't win this game.

Some here were saying that about Dallas before the Eagles game, even though New York's loss showed that wouldn't be the case since Dallas would have only been two games behind the Giants.

The announcers pronounced the Eagles dead Sunday after losing to Dallas even though they are only two games out of first place in the East.

I'm not sure why people feel the need to make these premature proclamations. Is it likely that Philadelphia is going to figure into the race? No, but almost anything is possible in the NFL. I don't think many saw the Giants losing to Cincy to put Dallas right back in the race for the division title.

I'd love to see a moratorium put on such statements, but I fully expect someone to say the season's over for Dallas if it doesn't beat Cleveland this week.

CowboysFanSince88 · 11-12-2012

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Originally Posted by gimmesix

This is what I hate about announcers/fans saying (at this point) a team is finished if it doesn't win this game.

Some here were saying that about Dallas before the Eagles game, even though New York's loss showed that wouldn't be the case since Dallas would have only been two games behind the Giants.

The announcers pronounced the Eagles dead Sunday after losing to Dallas even though they are only two games out of first place in the East.

I'm not sure why people feel the need to make these premature proclamations. Is it likely that Philadelphia is going to figure into the race? No, but almost anything is possible in the NFL. I don't think many saw the Giants losing to Cincy to put Dallas right back in the race for the division title.

I'd love to see a moratorium put on such statements, but I fully expect someone to say the season's over for Dallas if it doesn't beat Cleveland this week.

That's life in the NFL. Everyone reacts to the last thing that just happened

So if the eagles beat the skins and cowboys lose to the browns, then the media would say....."maybe the eagles can make a run"

Then if the eagles lose the following week to the panthers, the media will say..."Is this the end for andy reid?

The media in philly has called each other the last 3 eagles games a must win. Atlanta was a must win, the Saints was a must win, and the cowboys game was a must win.

That is what the fans and media do.

**big dog cowboy** · 11-13-2012

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Originally Posted by gimmesix

I fully expect someone to say the season's over for Dallas if it doesn't beat Cleveland this week.

Or "it is a must win game" always comes up.

cowboys102030 · 11-13-2012

Well the problem is 3-6 is a very tough hole to climb out of. Most of the time at least 10-6 is required to make the playoffs, with 9-7 being feasable if you play in a weak division or the conference is weak. 8-8 is unlikely for a playoff appearance, and 7-9 playoff team has only happened once. The Eagles would have to go 5-2 just to make it to the 8-8 mark. 9-7 is possible to win the division again this year, and they'd have to go 6-1 for that. Not very good odds, given the parity of the league and how tough it is to get on rolls especially if you're bad enough to go 3-6 in the first place.

CowboysFanSince88 · 11-13-2012

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Well the problem is 3-6 is a very tough hole to climb out of. Most of the time at least 10-6 is required to make the playoffs, with 9-7 being feasable if you play in a weak division or the conference is weak. 8-8 is unlikely for a playoff appearance, and 7-9 playoff team has only happened once. The Eagles would have to go 5-2 just to make it to the 8-8 mark. 9-7 is possible to win the division again this year, and they'd have to go 6-1 for that. Not very good odds, given the parity of the league and how tough it is to get on rolls especially if you're bad enough to go 3-6 in the first place.

I won't say their season is over until they get their 8th loss since that cancels any possibility of having a winning record

cowboys102030 · 11-13-2012

I agree, their season is certainly not over. But what if we were 3-6? From our point of view, the season would most definitely be over. The chance of running the table would feel impossible. Only three teams in the past few decades have made the playoffs after starting 3-6. It's not a stretch to call a team's season over after they go 3-6, but I also agree that it's not certainly true until the team has been eliminated. Nothing is over until it's over.

fifaguy · 11-13-2012

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Originally Posted by gimmesix

This is what I hate about announcers/fans saying (at this point) a team is finished if it doesn't win this game.

Some here were saying that about Dallas before the Eagles game, even though New York's loss showed that wouldn't be the case since Dallas would have only been two games behind the Giants.

The announcers pronounced the Eagles dead Sunday after losing to Dallas even though they are only two games out of first place in the East.

I'm not sure why people feel the need to make these premature proclamations. Is it likely that Philadelphia is going to figure into the race? No, but almost anything is possible in the NFL. I don't think many saw the Giants losing to Cincy to put Dallas right back in the race for the division title.

I'd love to see a moratorium put on such statements, but I fully expect someone to say the season's over for Dallas if it doesn't beat Cleveland this week.

The proclamations are opinions that it is highly unlikely that such and such a team will make the playoffs. If we lose to the Browns it means that the roller coast ride is continuing - win a big game, drop a supposedly easy one. Not a great formula for making a playoff run.

Ultra Warrior · 11-13-2012

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The announcers pronounced the Eagles dead Sunday after losing to Dallas even though they are only two games out of first place in the East.

Uhhh...they are 3 games out, not 2.

BIGDen · 11-13-2012

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I won't say their season is over until they get their 8th loss since that cancels any possibility of having a winning record

I think the winner of this division may very well be 8-8. Looking at the Giants and Cowboys remaining schedules, I don't think either ends up better than 9-7. Then again this league is crazy, so anything's possible.

dwmyers · 11-13-2012

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Originally Posted by gimmesix

This is what I hate about announcers/fans saying (at this point) a team is finished if it doesn't win this game.

Some here were saying that about Dallas before the Eagles game, even though New York's loss showed that wouldn't be the case since Dallas would have only been two games behind the Giants.

The announcers pronounced the Eagles dead Sunday after losing to Dallas even though they are only two games out of first place in the East.

I'm not sure why people feel the need to make these premature proclamations. Is it likely that Philadelphia is going to figure into the race? No, but almost anything is possible in the NFL. I don't think many saw the Giants losing to Cincy to put Dallas right back in the race for the division title.

I'd love to see a moratorium put on such statements, but I fully expect someone to say the season's over for Dallas if it doesn't beat Cleveland this week.

The subtext to all this is that the Eagles were down two starting offensive linemen at the beginning of the year, that they lost Danny Watkins sometime prior to this game, and that starting right tackle Todd Herremens was lost for the season during the New Orleans game.

They lost 4 out of 5 starters on the OL. Vick was knocked out of the game and Foles played like a harried rookie.

The game result wasn't the cause, the game result was the effect of repeated and serious offensive line injuries that leave Philadelphia without the bodies to play competitive ball.

And of course, no announcer is going to say all that. They're going to assume you know it and use the consequences of the game as proof of the seriousness of the issue.

D-

visionary · 11-13-2012

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The subtext to all this is that the Eagles were down two starting offensive linemen at the beginning of the year, that they lost Danny Watkins sometime prior to this game, and that starting right tackle Todd Herremens was lost for the season during the New Orleans game.

They lost 4 out of 5 starters on the OL. Vick was knocked out of the game and Foles played like a harried rookie.

The game result wasn't the cause, the game result was the effect of repeated and serious offensive line injuries that leave Philadelphia without the bodies to play competitive ball.

And of course, no announcer is going to say all that. They're going to assume you know it and use the consequences of the game as proof of the seriousness of the issue.

D-

but what if you have a pet peeve and want to ignore the facts?

CowboysFanSince88 · 11-13-2012

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I think the winner of this division may very well be 8-8. Looking at the Giants and Cowboys remaining schedules, I don't think either ends up better than 9-7. Then again this league is crazy, so anything's possible.

If we can get to 6-5 by Thanksgiving night, then I don't think the Cowboys will finish with 8 losses

Star4Ever · 11-13-2012

Mathematically the Eagles are not done. Realistically, they're done.

pjtoadie · 11-13-2012

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Uhhh...they are 3 games out, not 2.

Technically they are now 2.5 games out and if they beat Washington on Sunday then they will be 2 games out. Same goes for Washington if they beat Philly.

Shinywalrus · 11-13-2012

There's a point at which the probabilities start to get silly. We still have a 1-in-4 or 1-in-5 shot of making the playoffs, which is very much still in the game.

Philly is probably sitting at 1-in-50 or so.