It Wasn't So Long Ago...

[nalam]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Yes sir.

How, your Optimism really amazes me, but that's you.

With this scrubby OL I don't think Romo will hold up for the rest of season.

I've been always critical of JGs play calling and unless, he adjusts that in a hurry , we would lose Romo and with him any chances for winning season .

[big dog cowboy]

Originally Posted by newlander

god what a clown show the cowboys are right now

And yet we are a .500 team right now. There are a lot of teams that would love to trade spots with us.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by Novacek84

If it takes this much effort to outlast CLE then maybe the talent on this team isn't as good as it is promoted. part of talent is smarts, which this team severely lacks.

The talent is good the coaching isn't. Cleveland has been completive in just about every game they've played this season and I expected a dogfight. The Cowboys aren't near good enough to walk over anyone they're going to be in a battle every week. It's clear they're going to have to play a lot better than we saw today if they're going to stay in the playoff hunt. The positives that came out of this game are naturally the win and that Dez appears to be turning the corner.

The wins haven't been pretty the last 2 weeks but unlike last season the Cowboys are starting to show some fight and come from behind to win instead of folding in the 4th quarter. They almost blew it today after gaining the lead late in the game only to lose it again but they hung in. The important thing for the Cowboys right now is to win games no matter how they look and hope by Dec these dogfights will build enough character and mental toughness that the team will start playing their best football by Dec.

I'm not happy with the way the team played today they looked awful at times but it was good enough to eek out a win and it will certainly keep the team from becoming complacent. Having to fight it out every week may end up doing this team a lot of good when it matters most later in the season.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by Idgit

Maybe he's seeing something differently than you do.

I love how pissed off my opinions make some people. I didn't stutter. Appreciate the assist. No need for me to comment more.

[jayhouston12]

Can the boys turn the table? Not if they play like they played today

truth be told we've been bailed out the last two games because the other team self imploded when it mattered

the eagles crapped themselves in the 4th quarter
and cleveland is young they'll make mistakes

if we go down 14-0 against teams like the steelers, and saints its lights out

[perrykemp]

There are hopeful signs the Cowboys can make the playoffs.

Having said that, the Cowboys exhibit none of the qualities of a team with the strength in the trenches needed to make any sort of serious push once they get there. Evidence:

• The offensive line has been subpar all season in run blocking as well as pass blocking. Even with Smith they are one of the worst OLs in the NFL -- without him starting Parnell, Livings, Bernadeau, Dockery, and Doug Free I think you'd be hard pressed to find a worst OL
• The DL has a grand total of 3.5 sacks for the entire season and is allowed over 100 yards per game and 4.0 ypc on the ground. In otherwords, they generate no rush and and are mediocre against the run

In otherwords, the OL and DL are among the worst in the entire NFL and probably would be the worst of any playoff team if they make it in.

In summary this is a decent chance this team will squeak into the playoffs... sorry that isn't good enough for me. I want a contender and the pathetic state of the OL and DL will doom this team from making a run.

[Howardlittleton64]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I love how pissed off my opinions make some people. I didn't stutter. Appreciate the assist. No need for me to comment more.

Not mad at all I don't take the Internet that seriously. That may have also been the first time I ever responded to one of your posts too. I just think it is unbelievable for a fan to say the love what they have been seeing with this team. It is embarrassing. Mr. Jones said after the game that the oline played well. In what world did that happen. That is the crux of the problem with this team. We have an owner playing the part of GM poorly. A coach who doesn't seem to be able to get his team ready to play. I'm still waiting for the accountability. We have the second most penalties in the league. We are penalized on multiple pre-snap penalties every week. Where is the discipline we were promised. Our coaches cannot even make adjustments during the game. If I see another three man rush from our defensive line I am going to blow a gasket.

[DragonCowboy]

Originally Posted by Idgit

Bad? You wanted today's win to be more satisfying?

We're a mediocre team that beats bad teams and loses to good ones. We make plays on both sides of the ball, but aren't consistent enough right now because of a couple of holes on the roster to put up enough points to actually beat good teams. We've got a team that's added talent each of the last three seasons, and a group of entitled fans that don't understand how play calling works and who think the team is better than it actually is, and, by some inexplicable contortion, consider themselves 'realists' for being consistently frustrated by a mediocre team playing mediocre football.

But we've got a HC who's respected in the locker room and by the organization. We've got a roster that's trending upward, and we've got a legit shot at being in the drivers seat for the NFCE title by this time next week despite all the obvious issues we've got right now.

[View Full Quote]There are babies, and there is bathwater. It's not pumping sunshine to make at least a passing effort to determine which is which.

But the problem isn't that we're a mediocre team. The problem is the way this team is coached, or at least the way the team plays in certain situations.

For example, there's really no excuse for clock management issues that have happened these past two years (Arizona '11, Baltimore '12). That has NOTHING to do with the talent and EVERYTHING to do with the coaching.

You can't point to that and say that it's due to us being a mediocre team that beats bad teams and loses to good team. We're constantly playing down to our opposition.

Also, how does it make any sense to say that we've been getting better in talent these past couple years and are still mediocre talent wise when we went to the playoffs and won in the first round in '09? Either the talent has gotten worse since then and the coaching is still OK or the talent has gotten better (as you said) and the coaching is worse.

There's really no excuse for what's going on, and it stinks down from Jerry to Jason.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by Novacek84

You're out of your mind. The head coach is respected? he's the laughingstock of the NFL and so is Jerry's team. He has no feel for running a game. The roster has a FEW holes? This roster is FULL of CRATERS. I have been a 35 year fan and I've seen it all. There is no excuse for the performance this team offers up each week. I'm not asking for perfection. I am asking for a team that has a legit chance each week. The Browns gave us this game. Once again the Cowboys were not ready to play. Again, there is no excuse for that. I make these comments as a person who was ecstatic when Garrett was hired. But I know what I see and Garrett is not the answer here. So you keep on telling yourself this team is getting better and you and Jerry will be the only ones left to pump that sunshine. So yes, throw this whole team out. they are the dumbest most uninspiring bunch ( with a few player exceptions) that I've seen. NYG are a tough team. They won't crumble n December. DAL always [View Full Quote]can be counted on to collapse until proven otherwise. For Garrett to say he is proud of his teams effort after that game? We are in a lot of trouble if this guy is back next year.
You call me entitled? No. I'm far from that and offended by that accusation. read my previous posts. I just expect this team to improve each week and I and many others ain't seeing it.

I didn't call you entitled. I don't even know who you are. I do know our fan base in general is entitled. Feel free to disagree. I'm just enjoying the victory tonight and looking forward to the next game on Thursday.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by DragonCowboy

But the problem isn't that we're a mediocre team. The problem is the way this team is coached, or at least the way the team plays in certain situations.

For example, there's really no excuse for clock management issues that have happened these past two years (Arizona '11, Baltimore '12). That has NOTHING to do with the talent and EVERYTHING to do with the coaching.

You can't point to that and say that it's due to us being a mediocre team that beats bad teams and loses to good team. We're constantly playing down to our opposition.

Also, how does it make any sense to say that we've been getting better in talent these past couple years and are still mediocre talent wise when we went to the playoffs and won in the first round in '09? Either the talent has gotten worse since then and the coaching is still OK or the talent has gotten better (as you said) and the coaching is worse.

[View Full Quote]There's really no excuse for what's going on, and it stinks down from Jerry to Jason.

The clock management is definitely a problem. I've agreed with that on several occasions, and it's a chief area where JG can get better on game day.

But if you're honestly asking yourself what's gotten us beat this season against good teams and coming away with 'clock management' instead of 'turnover differential', then you haven't been watching closely enough.

There are problems, and then there are problems that get you beat. Clock management issues aren't great, but they're not high order problems. I prioritize them lower than I prioritize not making mental errors that get you beat, not giving up scores in the return game, and building a roster with sufficient depth and focus to withstand in-season injuries.

[Novacek84]

Mental errors, discipline and turnovers were areas we as fans were told would be cleaned up and improved. That has not happened and that is my issue with this coaching staff. Add to that the fact that Garrett looks lost running a game and you have a mess. We are still trying to crawl 2.5 years after we should already be running. I think many agree with me. I'm sorry, It's not asking a lot to expect coaches to make sure fundamentals are a given. We should be way beyond the stage this team is at right now.

[DragonCowboy]

Originally Posted by Idgit

The clock management is definitely a problem. I've agreed with that on several occasions, and it's a chief area where JG can get better on game day.

But if you're honestly asking yourself what's gotten us beat this season against good teams and coming away with 'clock management' instead of 'turnover differential', then you haven't been watching closely enough.

There are problems, and then there are problems that get you beat. Clock management issues aren't great, but they're not high order problems. I prioritize them lower than I prioritize not making mental errors that get you beat, not giving up scores in the return game, and building a roster with sufficient depth and focus to withstand in-season injuries.

Yeah, turnover differential has definitely cost us games and is a bigger deal than clock management.

I'm just pointing to clock management as something that really has nothing to do with our inferior talent...that's usually something you can blame directly on the coach.

The way I see it is that we just don't have time to sit through Jason's growing pains. Romo's years are getting wasted, and considering how tough it was to find a quarterback after Aikman, it might be years after Romo's done before we have another legitimate shot at anything substantial.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by Novacek84

Such as what? this team has clearly regressed since 7-4 last season. Every game since last year in Arizona they have stunk. (Except for some reason this year's opener) There's no way to argue that. Too many penalties and no discipline. What team are you watching? You find this play acceptable?

I don't think they stunk at Baltimore or Atlanta. Teh went down tot he wire in both games on the road vs two Super Bowl contenders. That is not stinking by anyones definition.

As for the others, it probably depends on how you define "stunk".

[ShiningStar]

im loving this a win is a win is a win and they dont give wins back. every win is a legit win.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by DragonCowboy

Yeah, turnover differential has definitely cost us games and is a bigger deal than clock management.

I'm just pointing to clock management as something that really has nothing to do with our inferior talent...that's usually something you can blame directly on the coach.

The way I see it is that we just don't have time to sit through Jason's growing pains. Romo's years are getting wasted, and considering how tough it was to find a quarterback after Aikman, it might be years after Romo's done before we have another legitimate shot at anything substantial.

I'm about as big a Garrett fan as we've got (I think), and I'll admit the clock management and red zone offensive efficiency are obvious problems. I just think people overestimate their importance. I also happen to really value the process and the methodical way he's approached building the team.

What's weird is we're on a two game winning streak with another winnable game coming, and the frustration with the HC seems to be getting louder rather than quieter.