So jealous of Cleveland's offensive line

[Deep_Freeze]

Originally Posted by fanfromvirginia

And we've addressed (in terms of draft picks especially) pretty much every unit except the OL. When will it be the OL's turn? Our OL has been consistently bad for a decade and a half.

I figure they will again this coming draft with another pick. If you look back though, they have made picks in the area.....the picks were just busts.

Let's not forget that we did draft 3 OL in 2011 (only a year ago), even if everyone hates them.

[IrishAnto]

Originally Posted by Deep_Freeze

Cool that you remember that fact that has nothing to do with Mack, but it doesn't change the fact that Mack went with the 21st pick in the 1st round so it would've taken a huge trade up to get him. If you think we are going to trade up a round for an interior OL, well you haven't been paying attention lately.

Regardless, the RW trade made sure we weren't going to draft Mack. If we don't trade for RW, then Mack might be a Cowboy but wishing he was now is just a waste of time. I regret pretty much most of the drafts between 06-09, but nothing can be done about it now.

I like to get facts right instead of just spouting garbage as fact.

And where did I say anything about trading up to pick Mack?

I think you'll find I referred to Unger not Mack but that won't stop you putting words into my mouth which is your usual tactic.

[fanfromvirginia]

Originally Posted by Deep_Freeze

I figure they will again this coming draft with another pick. If you look back though, they have made picks in the area.....the picks were just busts.

Let's not forget that we did draft 3 OL in 2011 (only a year ago), even if everyone hates them.

I want guys in the 3rd or higher. We rarely do that, in part perhaps because BP got burned on Rogers and Peterman.

I agree that we will likely go OL early this year.

[Deep_Freeze]

Originally Posted by IrishAnto

I like to get facts right instead of just spouting garbage as fact.

And where did I say anything about trading up to pick Mack?

I think you'll find I referred to Unger not Mack but that won't stop you putting words into my mouth which is your usual tactic.

I don't know what the issue is here, but the thread is about Cleveland and their OL, which is why Mack was an issue. You bringing up Unger in the first place had nothing to do with the thread at all, while trading up for Mack has something to do with this thread.

I understand its unpopular to stick up for FO when it comes to the OL, and will get these reactions. But really, in the past they have tried and failed. All we can do is try to win with what we got at the moment and hope the future continues to be better cause our drafts of 2010 til now have been much better.

Originally Posted by fanfromvirginia

I want guys in the 3rd or higher. We rarely do that, in part perhaps because BP got burned on Rogers and Peterman.

I agree that we will likely go OL early this year.

Rogers and Peterman are 2 examples of guys that should be leading this team right now, but were busts so thats a great point. I figure the pick will come especially if we pick in the 20s, now if our pick is in the teens we might have alot of mad OL people looking at the pass rusher or safety we just drafted.

[fanfromvirginia]

Originally Posted by Deep_Freeze

I figure the pick will come especially if we pick in the 20s, now if our pick is in the teens we might have alot of mad OL people looking at the pass rusher or safety we just drafted.

I am all ready for that argument as the draft approaches. I will just copy and paste 'Warmack' in for 'DeCastro'

[IrishAnto]

Originally Posted by Deep_Freeze

I don't know what the issue is here, but the thread is about Cleveland and their OL, which is why Mack was an issue. You bringing up Unger in the first place had nothing to do with the thread at all, while trading up for Mack has something to do with this thread.

I understand its unpopular to stick up for FO when it comes to the OL, and will get these reactions. But really, in the past they have tried and failed. All we can do is try to win with what we got at the moment and hope the future continues to be better cause our drafts of 2010 til now have been much better.



Rogers and Peterman are 2 examples of guys that should be leading this team right now, but were busts so thats a great point. I figure the pick will come especially if we pick in the 20s, now if our pick is in the teens we might have alot of mad OL people looking at the pass rusher or safety we just drafted.

I think you'll find that the original poster was jealous of the Browns OL i.e. the quality of the players on that self same OL.

You said we couldn't get Alex Mack because we didn't have a pick until the 3rd round.

I pointed out that it was entirely possible to trade up to pick Max Unger i.e. a good Centre for the Seahawks as Mack is a good Centre for the Browns thus improving our OL and therefore the original poster wouldn't have as much reason to be jealous.

So I think quite relevant to the thread.

[IrishAnto]

Originally Posted by fanfromvirginia

I am all ready for that argument as the draft approaches. I will just copy and paste 'Warmack' in for 'DeCastro'

And I will almost certainly back you to the hilt unless there is a player at a position of need who is much better.

Time will tell.

[Deep_Freeze]

Originally Posted by fanfromvirginia

I am all ready for that argument as the draft approaches. I will just copy and paste 'Warmack' in for 'DeCastro'

Yeah, its coming, just a matter of time.

Warmack is already the best interior OL prospect in the last decade, rest assured, and the art of copy/paste will be intact. I just hope he actually grades out well to support the arguments cause reaches should never be made for a position group.

Originally Posted by IrishAnto

I think you'll find that the original poster was jealous of the Browns OL i.e. the quality of the players on that self same OL.

You said we couldn't get Alex Mack because we didn't have a pick until the 3rd round.

I pointed out that it was entirely possible to trade up to pick Max Unger i.e. a good Centre for the Seahawks as Mack is a good Centre for the Browns thus improving our OL and therefore the original poster wouldn't have as much reason to be jealous.

So I think quite relevant to the thread.

Ok, cool. Thing is, blaming the FO is just not the whole truth, and thats what all these jealous of other OLs comes down to. It is said somehow our FO didn't make enough of an effort, even though history shows that they did, its just that the efforts they did make failed as players.

Our last 3 drafts have been better, and I hate the drafts from 06-09 as much or more than anyone. There is noway to defend that time period of 06-09 other than to say we are trying to make up for it right now.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by Deep_Freeze

Yeah, its coming, just a matter of time.

Warmack is already the best interior OL prospect in the last decade, rest assured, and the art of copy/paste will be intact. I just hope he actually grades out well to support the arguments cause reaches should never be made for a position group.



Ok, cool. Thing is, blaming the FO is just not the whole truth, and thats what all these jealous of other OLs comes down to. It is said somehow our FO didn't make enough of an effort, even though history shows that they did, its just that the efforts they did make failed as players.

Our last 3 drafts have been better, and I hate the drafts from 06-09 as much or more than anyone. There is noway to defend that time period of 06-09 other than to say we are trying to make up for it right now.

No other team in the NFL has used fewer 1st and 2nd rd picks over the last 15 years on the Oline. That is a LACK OF EFFORT.

[Blackspider214]

Originally Posted by gimmesix

I was thinking yesterday, "So that's what an offensive line looks like."

There were so many times Weeden had all day to look for an open receiver and I give credit for that to his line more than blame the defense for it.

Romo probably had line envy. I certainly did.

Or maybe our weak pass rush and scheme we run makes any OL look great. I thought we drafted these corners so we could be able to bring more pressure without having to worry about dropping so many into coverage. But when it seems Ware is dropping into coverage more than he is rushing, something is terribly wrong.

[Oh_Canada]

Originally Posted by gimmesix

Cleveland's line? Then, frankly, I'm not sure you know what you're looking at.

They have a rookie QB. They lack at receiver and defensive back. That's why they are 2-8.

The offensive line, defensive line and running game are why they have been competitive in most of their games.

I'm not sure you know what you're looking at.

Last time I looked at the standings they are 2-8. What's so confusing???

[Oh_Canada]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

and where have we gone with a bad O line?

Three more wins and a chance for a division lead with 3/5 of the oline missing it's starters.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

and where have we gone with a bad O line?

The Cowboys are still in contention with their OL can't say the same for Cleveland and their OL. You think all the Cowboys issues are due to their OL? There's other teams in the NFL that are in contention including the Packers that have a worse OL than the Cowboys. The Steelers won a SB in 08 with an OL that helped get Roethlisbetger sacked 46 times and carted off the field once.

The Cowboys OL may not be very good but since 08 they've won 19 more games than Cleveland who's been one of the worst teams in the league over the past 5 years. The Cowboys haven't gone anywhere because of the coaching. The team looks unprepared practically every week. You have players who don't even know when to be on the field in critical situations. Go back and look at all the confusion on our defense on Weeden's last minute TD pass to Watson in regulation.

We've been seeing that kind of confusion on offense and defense for the past 2 seasons under Garrett and Ryan. Players don't know where to lineup or when to be on the field and we see the same stupid penalties every week. The Cowboys were damn lucky to pull that game out Sunday it's a game they should have lost. Had they been playing a good team they would have gotten blown out.

[rbr651]

Originally Posted by Deep_Freeze

The point is it takes more than just an OL to be a good team.

Drool over them all you want, but if you suck everywhere else, doesn't matter. Sounds like you would rather be good in the trenches and suck everywhere else.....well thats your choice.

Wish we would realize on this board that it takes a total team to win ballgames, and not just being good in one position group....no matter what that position group happens to be.

That's not what he said at all, and not what I read. Also I wish we would realize on this board that what people type is usually what they mean and not to put words into others mouths.

[rocboy22]

Originally Posted by rbr651

That's not what he said at all, and not what I read. Also I wish we would realize on this board that what people type is usually what they mean and not to put words into others mouths.

omg, that would be totally awesome!!!! too bad your wish will never come true....