Norm Hitzges - Redskins maybe a "triple play" - Page 3 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

dexternjack · 11-20-2012

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Originally Posted by McLovin

3-way parlay is 6/1.

Won a 3way points only (Cincy, GB, TB) this weekend and lost the GB/TB/Dallas.

Won 3 , 2-way parlays (NO 2nd half pts and over, 1st half Ravens and under)

Lost 2nd half Broncos and pts (thanks to that BS last TD call from SD) and 2nd half ravens and over.

Got to see GnR for free and made out quite well. Love Vegas for 24 hours

Well, to be technical, the book I used to go through payed 5.6 to 1. It is pretty standard to go 6/1 though. Of course through this hypothetical bet of Wash, Wash ML and over or under would pay more due to a moneyline bet in there.

I hit a 9-teamer in college ball once, only bet it because I was up big from the last weekend. I bet $20 and it payed $360, not the straight 200 to 1 odds, had some ML's and teasers mixed in there.

mcc2121 · 11-20-2012

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Originally Posted by bula

GUYS .. when Norm says "Triple Play" in his picks of the Pole - hes betting 3x the normal bet on the play. Meaning, he feels its a complete lock. None of his 100s of picks this entire year have been more than a double play bet. This would be his first TRIPLE. Thats why I posted this. He's as good a handicapper as they come and if he is proposing a triple times bet on Washington and the spread +3, That says ALOT.

^^ THIS.

I can't believe all these other yahoos acting as if this is jargon for some complex parlay. It simply means Norm is 3x as confident in the pick, or in other words -- BET THE HOUSE.

And by the way, you can't bet on the team and the spread in the same wager. It's redundant and Vegas would lose big if that was allowed.

Hoofbite · 11-20-2012

Now that the gambling addicts have come out in full force and we got the "triple play" figured out...........My biggest concern would be the O/U.

Washington can score but I think Dallas matches up with them well.

Dallas can't really score but the Washington D is pretty weak.

Expect close game, like always. Likely coming down to the end of the game.

Hoofbite · 11-20-2012

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Originally Posted by mcc2121

^^ THIS.

I can't believe all these other yahoos acting as if this is jargon for some complex parlay. It simply means Norm is 3x as confident in the pick, or in other words -- BET THE HOUSE.

And by the way, you can't bet on the team and the spread in the same wager. It's redundant and Vegas would lose big if that was allowed.

You can't?

Not even for the favorite?

I mean, if New England comes in as a 14 point favorite, them winning and them covering are pretty two distinct bets.

dexternjack · 11-20-2012

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Originally Posted by mcc2121

^^ THIS.

I can't believe all these other yahoos acting as if this is jargon for some complex parlay. It simply means Norm is 3x as confident in the pick, or in other words -- BET THE HOUSE.

And by the way, you can't bet on the team and the spread in the same wager. It's redundant and Vegas would lose big if that was allowed.

Like I stated, I did not see the context Norm was talking about this.

As for the bolded part, you are 100% incorrect. There might be some sporadic books that will not allow it, but most do.

The Dude · 11-20-2012

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Originally Posted by mcc2121

^^ THIS.
And by the way, you can't bet on the team and the spread in the same wager. It's redundant and Vegas would lose big if that was allowed.

not entirely true. this is all book dependant. some allow it, some dont. ive made those bets before, specifically where the spread is a very large portion of the O/U. so id either parlay the OVER and the Favorite, OR the UNDER and the DOG.

InmanRoshi · 11-20-2012

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Originally Posted by Gaede

Yeah, what's that mean, exactly?

It means bet the house on the Cowboys.

mcc2121 · 11-20-2012

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Originally Posted by dexternjack

Like I stated, I did not see the context Norm was talking about this.

As for the bolded part, you are 100% incorrect. There might be some sporadic books that will not allow it, but most do.

You are either incorrect or I need to switch books because there are apparently people willing to give away money.

With a 2 team parlay typically giving 2.5-1 odds and if the spread is Dallas -3 vs. Washington:

It makes no sense for a book to allow both spread and straight action on the same bet because if the Cowboys cover, of course they win straight.

Conversely, if the Redskins win straight, of course they will also cover with the additional points.

In both cases house would essentially be allowing someone to make a straight wager at 2.5-1 odds. (Not to mention losing out on collecting the vig with even action). The house would lose millions.

Again, if you have a book that allows this, it's clearly a fringe internet site desperate for the action. But no way this happens in Vegas or on something like Bovada/Bodog.

Note - this is not saying you can't bet spread and O/U on the same ticket.

dexternjack · 11-20-2012

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Originally Posted by mcc2121

You are either incorrect or I need to switch books because there are apparently people willing to give away money.

With a 2 team parlay typically giving 2.5-1 odds and if the spread is Dallas -3 vs. Washington:

It makes no sense for a book to allow both spread and straight action on the same bet because if the Cowboys cover, of course they win straight.

Conversely, if the Redskins win straight, of course they will also cover with the additional points.

In both cases house would essentially be allowing someone to make a straight wager at 2.5-1 odds. (Not to mention losing out on collecting the vig with even action). The house would lose millions.

Again, if you have a book that allows this, it's clearly a fringe internet site desperate for the action. But no way this happens in Vegas or on something like Bovada/Bodog.

Note - this is not saying you can't bet spread and O/U on the same ticket.

I think you are confusing what is being said a bit.

For example, you can bet Wash +3 and Wash to win outright(ML) into a parlay. Lets say Dallas wins by 1 or 2, you win one of the bets but not both.

Now, if you bet Dallas -3 and a Dallas ML, you can still parlay it but it will not pay 2.6 to 1, it will decrease.

GloryDaysRBack · 11-20-2012

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Originally Posted by bula

GUYS .. when Norm says "Triple Play" in his picks of the Pole - hes betting 3x the normal bet on the play. Meaning, he feels its a complete lock. None of his 100s of picks this entire year have been more than a double play bet. This would be his first TRIPLE. Thats why I posted this. He's as good a handicapper as they come and if he is proposing a triple times bet on Washington and the spread +3, That says ALOT.

Precisely what I figured...

BAZ · 11-20-2012

So he's picking a rookie on a short week, playing a division rival as his stone cold lock of the week, year, century. That's doesn't make good gambling sense at all. I have no problem with him picking the Skins, but to make it his most solid bet of the season.....is his record over .500?

mcc2121 · 11-20-2012

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Originally Posted by dexternjack

I think you are confusing what is being said a bit.

Now, if you bet Dallas -3 and a Dallas ML, you can still parlay it but it will not pay 2.6 to 1, it will decrease.

I don't want to be "that guy" on a forum arguing a point ad nauseum, but on this point I'm neither confused nor wrong.

Yes, picking a -3 pt. favorite straight is usually around -150 odds and, when combined with another spread line for a parlay, would decrease the odds from 2.6-1. However, you just can't do that with the same team.

You can, as an example, take the Patriots -7 and Dallas straight. Or Dallas -3 and the Patriots straight. You just can't parlay Dallas -3 and Dallas straight in the same wager. It's considered a redundant bet. By betting those two in the same wager, you're doing so under the expectations of increased odds. If this were allowed, everyone would always bet the spread and straight in every wager because there would be more money to be made and zero additional risk.

For casinos, why would they risk losing additional money allowing a parlay on something when there's actually no added risk on the bettor's end? If the Cowboys cover -3, of course they win straight also!

**big dog cowboy** · 11-20-2012

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Originally Posted by Hoofbite

Expect close game, like always. Likely coming down to the end of the game.

I'd be very surprised if the game doesn't come down to the last two or three minutes before the outcome being decided.

dexternjack · 11-20-2012

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Originally Posted by mcc2121

I don't want to be "that guy" on a forum arguing a point ad nauseum, but on this point I'm neither confused nor wrong.

Yes, picking a -3 pt. favorite straight is usually around -150 odds and, when combined with another spread line for a parlay, would decrease the odds from 2.6-1. However, you just can't do that with the same team.

You can, as an example, take the Patriots -7 and Dallas straight. Or Dallas -3 and the Patriots straight. You just can't parlay Dallas -3 and Dallas straight in the same wager. It's considered a redundant bet. By betting those two in the same wager, you're doing so under the expectations of increased odds. If this were allowed, everyone would always bet the spread and straight in every wager because there would be more money to be made and zero additional risk.

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Using dall spread and a dall ML was a bad example, no one does that bet with a favorite.

But, parlaying a team getting points and the same team ML is bet widely. I can assure you that I didn't use fluff books. The house still makes money on the last example, it is no sure thing.

If the underdog wins outright, then yes the parlay wins but the dog still has to win.

McLovin · 11-20-2012

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Originally Posted by The Dude

they payouts on a parlay vary book to book. also depends on what kind of bets you are taking.

if you do 3 bets against the spread parlayd, sure it might be 6/1 payout
if you do 3 moneylines on big underdogs the payout will be much more than 6/1
if you do 3 moneylines on big favorites the payout will be much less than 6/1

it depends on the odds on the bets you are parlaying
when you see those charts for online sportsbooks, that show the payouts for 3,4,5,6,7 etc parlays, they are referring to straight bets (ie O/U or spreads)

all true.

i havent parlayed a moneyline combo, but it can be done