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11-20-2012
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Sturm - Decoding Garrett - Offense going all shotgun?
Another great article from Sturm, however, this is a little more disconcerting than others.
http://sturminator.blogspot.ca/
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In the 5 games, their S11 has averaged 6.3, 6.3, 10.1, 5.3, and 5.2. Meanwhile, every other package combined has averaged 4.4, 4.3, 3.4, 5.6, and 2.5. That is right. 2.5 yards per play in 29 snaps against Cleveland for everything that was not S11.
It is not efficient. It is not challenging for the defense at all to defend. It invites more blitzes and more pressure on Tony Romo. It doesn't stress the safeties at all. It is not smart football. It may get your QB hurt. I would advise strongly against it, and more importantly, I am guessing any coach would think it was a really bad idea.
BUT.
It is all they have right now that is working.
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With the state of the running game and patch-work OL, looks like we've been forced into a very scary situation. Should we go all shotgun all the time?
Play with fire...we know how that ends up.
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11-20-2012
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I have been against our rampant use of Shotgun for a while now. Ideally, I think shotgun should be used almost exclusively for passing downs or if the shotgun just happens to be killing the opposing defense that day.
But, even *I* was all for using Shotgun against Cleveland. They had nothing else that could generate yardage. I think Sturm's conclusions are probably right, but my hope is that we can get enough out of S11 and not get Romo killed and let the defense and special teams help win the game for us.
YR
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11-20-2012
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That'd be much easier if our defense could generate some turnovers! They need to step it up, in that regard, because the offense is in rough shape.
I can see us going shotgun 'til Murray gets back, but like Sturm says, all it takes is one really bad play to ruin our season completely.
There's not really much else we can do though.
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11-20-2012
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Very interesting article by Sturm, especially since he's been a major tout for balance, play action, etc. Here he shows that those aren't working, and overuse of the shotgun is the only thing that's hot for the Cowboys right now.
".... I have always found that plans are useless, but planning is indispensable." - Dwight D Eisenhower
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11-20-2012
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I'm reminded of the scene in "Argo":
Jason Garrett: "There are only bad options. It's about finding the best one."
Jerry Jones: "You don't have a better bad option?"
Jason Garrett: "This is the best bad idea we have found so far."
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11-20-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaede
Another great article from Sturm, however, this is a little more disconcerting than others.
http://sturminator.blogspot.ca/
With the state of the running game and patch-work OL, looks like we've been forced into a very scary situation. Should we go all shotgun all the time?
Play with fire...we know how that ends up.
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And this is why those who scream about stuff like "quicker developing plays" and "shorter routes" really don't know what they are talking about.
A poor offensive line really hampers everyone from the running backs to the wide receivers, and most definately the quarterback.
Costa and Murray need to come back in the worst way.
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11-20-2012
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Originally Posted by Trendnet
And this is why those who scream about stuff like "quicker developing plays" and "shorter routes" really don't know what they are talking about.
A poor offensive line really hampers everyone from the running backs to the wide receivers, and most definately the quarterback.
Costa and Murray need to come back in the worst way.
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Costa and Murray won't help much. Too many things are broken and Murray is overrated.
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11-20-2012
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This is not a great option, but it might be the only one. All Shotgun, all the time. No complicated personnel switches and no play action. Why? Because run fakes don't work unless you have run success. This whole plan is one big Hail Mary that the next hit on Romo isn't his last of the year.
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This is incorrect. Tony has been successful on PA passes this year, despite having no running game for all but 2 games this season.
We need to do more of it, even if we do it out of the shotgun. Especially if we want to throw deep. It may no t freeze the safeties, but it just might slow down the rush just a little to help our putrid pass blocking.
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11-20-2012
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As long as the snap doesn't go over Romo's head I'm okay with the Shotgun. Although then if he's sacked it's even more yards! Two sides to every coin. Not to mention Houdini is going to want to try and escape so tag on a few more yards if he doesn't make it out.
All Process and No Progress.
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11-21-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Trendnet
And this is why those who scream about stuff like "quicker developing plays" and "shorter routes" really don't know what they are talking about.
A poor offensive line really hampers everyone from the running backs to the wide receivers, and most definately the quarterback.
Costa and Murray need to come back in the worst way.
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This. Fans around here crack me up with their popcorn analysis.
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Jerry Jones' accountabilibuddy
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11-21-2012
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One of the other things that jumps out on those charts of the passing attempts is how they RARELY if ever attack the middle of the field.
I still think the shorter passes is what opened up the down field throws in the 2nd half last week. After they started hitting Dez on those quick hooks and hit that 23 yard crossing route to Miles suddenly the defense started to move up a bit and they allowed Dez to get down field. This notion that they came out and starting chucking it deep is absurd, the whole first half he tried to go deep and was running around like a chicken with his head cut off. Clearly one sets up the other.
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11-21-2012
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Danny White and Roger Staubach would not go into Shotgun unless it was an obvious passing situation ... almost ALWAYS and exclusively on 3rd and long.
Troy NEVER used the Shotgun.
Now we're in Shotgun the majority of our snaps ... run or pass. I don't like it. The stutter step required for the RB to get the ball gives the D two extra yards to attack.
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11-21-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by T-RO
This. Fans around here crack me up with their popcorn analysis.
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This forum would be pretty boring if no one had a "popcorn analysis". Thanks for sharing all your knowledge, that was insightful.
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11-21-2012
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Originally Posted by Doomsday
This forum would be pretty boring if no one had a "popcorn analysis". Thanks for sharing all your knowledge, that was insightful.
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This right here... I just love these guys that whine and complain about it when their boy gets whalloped in the press, with such retorts like:
"Well, maybe Jerry should hire you to be a play-caller."
It's obvious people whine when their 'boy' gets attacked. Otherwise, they have no problem telling us why WRs run sloppy routes or how Tony Romo ruins the play, be checking out of it... Maybe they should be WRs and QBs in the NFL...
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11-22-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by goshan
Costa and Murray won't help much. Too many things are broken and Murray is overrated.
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