YR's My Meaningless Thoughts On The Game...

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Originally Posted by fanfromvirginia

Interesting idea on Shanahan/Kubiak. Any info on who might be available?

Kyle Shanahan will be available but it's expected that he'll stay in D.C.

Most feel he'll eventually be the head coach.

[Gaede]

Originally Posted by 17yearsandcounting

Garrett as GM? Good god. Do you want him to keep failing up the ladder?

I hate the guy as head coach, but I don't hate the guy. He's got some things he's good at it--including personnel. He can't coach, that's clear.

Plus, it would be a way to weed out Jerry's influence

[17yearsandcounting]

Originally Posted by Gaede

I hate the guy as head coach, but I don't hate the guy. He's got some things he's good at it--including personnel. He can't coach, that's clear.

Plus, it would be a way to weed out Jerry's influence

This team is terrible on offense, his specialty.

What personnel?

[Gaede]

Originally Posted by 17yearsandcounting

This team is terrible on offense, his specialty.

What personnel?

I think the players are good. His coaching is what keeps them from being better.

But I actually agree with you, after thinking about it. Garrett hasn't earned a promotion. He's had some success but not like he's been so wildly good at drafting that he should call all the shots.

[birdwells1]

Originally Posted by stasheroo

Yet another undeserved promotion?

Really?

This sounds like some kind of a crazy corporate move.

"Ted's not very good in his current role, maybe he'd be a better fit as a manager?"

"Ted's not handling managing very well, maybe a VP job would be a better position?"

"This VP thing isn't working, let's make Ted our CEO."

At some point, maybe Ted just sucks...

Garrett needed help as an offensive coordinator, needs help as a head coach, and now people are talking about him as a GM?

Bizarro-land.

Thank You

[CATCH17]

He gives us no advantages with his coaching and he needs to go.

[birdwells1]

Originally Posted by TtownCowboy

Could be that some believe that is the only thing he's actually good at. He's a terrible play caller/game planner imho. But I believe he's actually done well with the draft, free agency, and churning the roster. He just needs zero input on game day.

First, we have to know how much input he's had on our drafts before we promote him.

[birdwells1]

Originally Posted by RS12

I think Jerry is finally getting ready to invite Garrett to a restaurant and bust out the cocktail napkin ala TO.

That's funny right there, I hope you're correct.

[birdwells1]

Originally Posted by davidyee

...to say this, but clearly something is wrong with the Cowboys.

Since the Johnson departure we have had our fair share of coaches and players come through, but we cannot seem to establish a culture of excellence or even continuous improvement for that matter.

This year's Cowboys seem to be a undisciplined and unfocused group. They say the right things and at times perform amazing feats on the field, but often this is combined with pure bonehead pre snap incidents or uncontested errors.

Is it me or are parts of the team just lack "football intelligence"?

No matter how physically gifted we are the team seems to show a poor mental side on the field.

Last, is there a trend of players unable to stay on the field? Injuries are injuries, but when you can't get through two or three seasons relatively injury free it makes the prospect of being a contributing player dimmer for the team.

[View Full Quote]I expected this year not to be a playoff year necessarily, but I did want to see some trending upward.

I'm not sure if we are witnessing this on the field.

You can pick your targets to blame, but ultimately Jerry has to shoulder the questions about his organization's performance. It is his job to assemble the team and pattern the behavior for success.

Watch Jimmy Johnson's A Football Life, he tells Belichek something like "remember when I told you to hit me over the head with a hammer the next time I draft a dumb player".

While assessing a players football intelligence needs to be put on a higher scale than what we presently do.

Shoot for that matter, assessing head coaches football intelligence needs to be put on a higher scale also.

[bbailey423]

Originally Posted by mgcowboy

Did it occur to anyone that part of the deal of hiring JG as the HC is for him to take responsibility of the offense?

Jerry paid a lot of money to hire Jason and he is saving loads of money by not hiring an OC. Now Jason/Jerry/Stephen can realise that maybe we better get an OC (Esp if Norv is available)

I don't think Garret enjoys wearing all these hats and knowing that he listens A LOT to Jimmy who always says that a OC is needed I believe Jerry wanted him to run the O as part of his HC role...

I hope what you say does not get lost on people. You are exactly right....Jerry thinks exactly like this....OFTEN.

He made Jason Garrett the highest paid OC in the HISTORY of the NFL. And much of what he had accomplished was with Tony Sparono around. The offense has been in a death spiral ever since Sparono left. Jerry (and to a degree I do not blame)....is trying to get the MOST bang for his buck. Which is why he is trying to get a 2 for 1 with what he has spent on Garrett.

Jerry did this with the Leonard Davis signing as well. Davis got the BIGGEST signing bonus in the history of the franchise. And it is because Jerry anticipated some sort of magical powers of being a Dallas Cowboys was going to make Leonard Davis the replacement for Flozell Adams at the end of Flozell contract.

Jerry has ALWAYS thought paying someone the most is going to make them tap into some inner powers within someone that have yet to be released...and the right amount of money will release them

[ConstantReboot]

Originally Posted by mgcowboy

Did it occur to anyone that part of the deal of hiring JG as the HC is for him to take responsibility of the offense?

Jerry paid a lot of money to hire Jason and he is saving loads of money by not hiring an OC. Now Jason/Jerry/Stephen can realise that maybe we better get an OC (Esp if Norv is available)

I don't think Garret enjoys wearing all these hats and knowing that he listens A LOT to Jimmy who always says that a OC is needed I believe Jerry wanted him to run the O as part of his HC role...

Then Garrett needs to get some balls and tell Jerry that he needs an OC to make the calls so that he can oversee whats going on in the entire team.


But we know that Garrett is nothing more than a puppet and he is going to be scared to face his master with the truth.

[Zordon]

Originally Posted by bbailey423

I hope what you say does not get lost on people. You are exactly right....Jerry thinks exactly like this....OFTEN.

He made Jason Garrett the highest paid OC in the HISTORY of the NFL. And much of what he had accomplished was with Tony Sparono around. The offense has been in a death spiral ever since Sparono left. Jerry (and to a degree I do not blame)....is trying to get the MOST bang for his buck. Which is why he is trying to get a 2 for 1 with what he has spent on Garrett.

Jerry did this with the Leonard Davis signing as well. Davis got the BIGGEST signing bonus in the history of the franchise. And it is because Jerry anticipated some sort of magical powers of being a Dallas Cowboys was going to make Leonard Davis the replacement for Flozell Adams at the end of Flozell contract.

[View Full Quote]Jerry has ALWAYS thought paying someone the most is going to make them tap into some inner powers within someone that have yet to be released...and the right amount of money will release them

you bring up a good point. it explains why whenever jerry is questioned about the talent on the team the first thing he brings up is the salaries of the player. more money = more talent to jerry.

[Oh_Canada]

Originally Posted by birdwells1

Watch Jimmy Johnson's A Football Life, he tells Belichek something like "remember when I told you to hit me over the head with a hammer the next time I draft a dumb player".

While assessing a players football intelligence needs to be put on a higher scale than what we presently do.

Shoot for that matter, assessing head coaches football intelligence needs to be put on a higher scale also.

I think Jimmy isn't being truthful with himself when he says this:

Irvin did many a dumb thing off the field especially, but not exclusively.

Same with Erik Williams.

Leon Lett was no road scholar.

Etc....

Difference is the 90's Cowboys had an outrageous talent advantage over virtually any team they faced.

[bbailey423]

Originally Posted by Zordon

you bring up a good point. it explains why whenever jerry is questioned about the talent on the team the first thing he brings up is the salaries of the player. more money = more talent to jerry.

it's because he is TOO close to the operation. The owner and GM cannot be the same person. Jerry runs this like a NORMAL business....you CANNOT run a pro organization like a NORMAL business.

He BELIEVES in the talent because of what he is paying them. I am pretty sure Miles, Demarcus, Romo, Witten etc....at one time were top 5 or top 10 at their position for what they are being paid. And whether they are or aren't is not the point. In Jerry's mind....if they are being paid as such...then they are.

[CowboyFan74]

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich

Last Monday I wrote that I believed that the Redskins were going to beat the Cowboys badly. A reader asked me why I would think that. I responded that over the past few weeks I have seen parallels of how this team is coached and how this team plays and how another team I am a collegiate fan of was badly coached and how they would play, my Syracuse Orangemen. Yes, they are still the Orangemen (not Orange) to me.

I had seen this before with Pasqualoni teams at SU. And that come the big game on national TV and usually against a rival, they would blow it and blow it big. This year the Cowboys have done almost EVERYTHING that a Pasqualoni team would do.

Start off the year with a big win? Check

Look undisciplined and badly coached in various games? Check

Have backups that look completely incompetent? Check

[View Full Quote]Play well against a good team that you should have beat, but lose due to inexplicable play calling (i.e. Baltimore)? Check

Have one of those ‘yeah, but we won’ games against a crappy team (i.e. Cleveland)? Check.

Get embarrassed in the first half on national TV. Make a game out of it, but the opponent really always had control? Check.

The only thing that is left is for players to talk about how difficult the offense is to execute and eventually getting embarrassed to the tune of 61-0…which the NFL equivalent is probably 42-0.

I know I harp on the Syracuse stuff. Believe me, it is entirely more than I ever wanted to. But understand, I went thru 13 freaking years of Pasqualoni football at SU. Then I saw him coach the TE’s here in Jason Witten’s worst year, then screw up the LB’s here when we couldn’t cover anybody out of the backfield in 2006. Now he’s destroying the UConn football program in just 2 years. If there is one thing about my personality, I DETEST making the same mistake twice.

The only thing I do like about Garrett is that he has brought in some very nice players. Furthermore, some undisciplined players like Anthony Spencer have really turned it around. Now I am starting to see Dez turn it around. And if there is a glimmer of hope I have for Garrett, it’s that I think there is a chance if he gives up the entire offense, from scheme to design to playcalling to somebody else. I really don’t understand why that is such a tough concept for him or Jerry to handle, since most of the league continues to do that. I dunno, seemed to work pretty well for Bill Walsh to oversee the operation and let guys like Mike Holmgren and Mike Shanahan call plays. But, what did he know?

I actually believe that the O-Line pass protected pretty well. In fact, I liked what I saw out of 4 of the 5 O-Linemen in pass protection. I just thought Dockery (another Jerry favorite) stinks to high heaven. But the offensive design does not fit our personnel. I’m not knocking Romo, but our offensive design is better suited for somebody like Matthew Stafford or Tom Brady. The passing routes are too slow to develop and we don’t have the WR’s who can get open quickly. We can still make plays in the offense, but it would require a taller QB who throws overhand like Brady or a QB with a super strong arm who can stand in back of the pocket and fire it to receivers on point (i.e. Stafford).

And I’m sick and tired of seeing false starts, particularly at home. There is something wrong with the system. We bring in different WR’s, O-Linemen, O-Line coaches, WR coaches, TE coaches, TE’s, etc. and we continue to have false starts on offense. I think one would be fooling themselves if they think that is something that is Jerry’s fault. When you have so much different personnel that continues to have the same problems, it starts to be a pure coaching problem.

Based on my Pasqualoni experience, I see this team winding up 7-9. But the wins will be U-G-L-Y wins against hapless opponents like the Eagles. Then the Garrett fans will rationalize that if we could have stayed healthy, it would have been a better team. Unfortunately, the NFL doesn’t quite work that way. Just because you had a certain record with injuries, doesn’t mean that those players will return and play to their old form or that the NFL hasn’t figured out ways to better play against them. Or that they won’t get injured again.

I see only 2 options for this team. Either hire an O-Coordination and given him carte blanche of the offense. Or hire Sean Payton.

And yes, I do think Sean Payton is a possibility. Payton lives in Dallas and I think he loves the fans and coaching for Drew Brees, but he doesn’t like the organization. I’ve had several Saints fans that have close ties with the organization that have said this. That may be worth nothing, but when they all say the same things in the same exact details, you start to think there is some truth to it.

I think people forget how low class of an organization the Saints have been. I remember that Kyle Turley, a former Saints player who is still a diehard fan of the team, filed complaints with the NFLPA and the NFL against the Saints for their unsanitary and hazardous training camp conditions. From Turley’s account, you would expect to see something like that from a D-III college football team, not the Saints. And this was about 10 years ago.

I just think that if Payton was insistent in staying in New Orleans, he would have either re-signed the contract with somebody besides Mickey Loomis by now or would have at least publicly stated ‘I’m staying in New Orleans.’ He’s done neither. And for good reason. He knows that the Cowboys may come a knocking. And it cannot hurt to listen to their offer. The worst that can happen is that the Cowboys don’t offer enough money, you tell them you’re not interested and go back to coaching the team you won a Super Bowl with.

And we all know that Jerry has regretted seeing Payton go. He really liked Payton. But, Parcells was still here and Payton was offered a HC job.

Historically, I think it can work as well. Don Shula had success going from Baltimore to Miami. Belichick went from Cleveland to New England (although very unsuccessful in Cleveland). Holmgren went from Green Bay to Seattle.

If there’s one thing I have a hard time with the NFL is that often times teams are successful by luck. Speaking of which, look at the Colts. They were an awful franchise that allowed them to get the #1 pick and they ended up getting Peyton Manning, the greatest QB I’ve ever seen. Then they build a terrible franchise around Peyton, still win a Super and then Manning gets hurt and they wind up with the #1 overall pick again and get Andrew Luck.

The Patriots are regressing as a franchise and pick a QB in the 6th round as an afterthought in a draft where the 6th round QB was the only player that did anything in the NFL. They don’t even start the 6th round QB until Drew Bledsoe gets hurt late in a game.

Then of course there is the Saints. They get Drew Brees who was a Pro Bowl QB still in his 20’s as a free agent. Brees then goes to Miami and is set to be their QB, but fails a physical. The Saints get him as Brees’ last ditch effort and the rest is history.

While I hold out hope that maybe all Garrett needs is an O-Coordinator to run the offense. I just think that if Payton is available, it’s that lucky break that this organization and its fans deserve. No sense in getting caught watching the paint dry.







YR

A lot of truth to what you are saying but also a lot of circumstantial stuff. You make an excellent argument either way. As far as Sean Payton coming to town as either OC or head coach I believe Jerry's pride will prevent that because the media will drill him for going back on his word. He has continually backed Garrett and has continually said a HC needs 4 years.

One thing he might get away with is saying Garrett needs an OC so he can ease up responsibilities and focus more on the entire team as a whole. The problem with this though is why would somebody proven like Sean play 2nd fiddle? He can be a HC almost anywhere. Jerry would have to pay an OC a HC salary and that still might not fly with Sean unless he promises to boot Garrett when the time is up like he did with Garrett and Wade in the 1st place, lol

Sean Payton is a great improviser and he's had a lot of breaks go his way while improvising as you noted. With Jerry's pocket book and desire to win, it would be a great match, but we have this pride thing hovering...

It will be interesting to see....